Simple FireWire vs DV.Now AV

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DBurns
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I have been watching this and other forums for awhile, and have been wanting to ask this, but have been afraid it is so basic that it must have been asked and answered, so I'll probably get seriously flamed, but what the heck..

I got a DV.Now AV a long time ago (2000?) and went through all of the pain of "hardware not recognized", not being able to get the card on it's own IRQ, upgrading my system twice trying to get it to work, being on hold with Dazzle support for hours, never getting the promised return call, flying to Fremont, CA to confront them (well, OK, buisness takes me there anyway) and generally spending all/every weekend for 6 months on it. I did have it working briefly, discovered the learing curve for Premiere 5.0 was so steep (I was already pretty burned-out) that I pulled the card out and put it back in the box.

That's my sad story, but with some counseling I'm OK now.

Anyway, I would still really like to try this video editing thing again, but am very hesitant to go back to the capture card if it is not necessary. Is it? I did some captures using a basic fire-wire connection and the results seemed fine.

If I have a fast system (3.2)dedicated to video editing so no extra applications, XP Pro, with a separate SATA drive, use Premiere Pro (not purchased yet - have 5.1), and just want to batch-capture entire tapes, what exactly am I losing by using the fire-wire CODEC vs all of the FAST/DV.NOW hardware/software? I don't seem to lose frames. Do I lose quality? It seems FAST has some features regarding selective pre-scanning of a tape, but with cheap, large drives, it seems better to batch capture the whole thing and work from the drive using Premiere.

Guess I feel I must be missing something, and hope somebody can clarify before I go down another expensive, painful path. There must be some advantage to $500 plus capture cards.

Thanks in advance

JVID
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I've used Premiere since 6.0, and it came bundled with Dazzle. Made several tapes of kids' football seasons, but now I'm into Premiere Pro, which runs only on XP, and Dazzle doesn't support that. With today's processor speeds, I've become convinced that dedicated capture cards are no longer necessary, so on this XP machine, I use Scenalyzer ( www.scenalyzer.com ) to capture (AVI files) with a plain vanilla 1394 card, and PPro to edit. No analog output (for going to VHS tape), but using the camera as a passthrough (1394 -> camera -> VHS) works great. I still have the Dazzle stuff, but rarely use it.
JWR

dpalomaki
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What you give up is the FastForward application and its capabilities, and the analog input/output capability of the DV.now AV card. If you do not need their capabilities, you are not missing anything you need.

JVID
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One additional item: I read once, on this forum or another, that you can take DIF files captured by FF, change their extensions from DIF to AVI, and import them into a standard 48KHz setting of Premiere. I've tried this with AP6.5 and it works, however when placed on the timeline in AP, all the clips need to be rendered (even with no transitions or effects) - bummer. I have not tried this with PPro.
JR

DBurns
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Thanks for the input.

I think I will go ahead and build my system with Premier Pro in mind, and I can always dual boot to use premiere 6.1(I'm not going to pay for a 6.5 upgrade, in addition to Pro!) and the Dazzle card if I want to later, but it doesn't look like that is necessary.

My wife qualifies for the "teacher discount" stuff, so I figure on getting the Adobe video suite, then the creative suite. You're probably thinking that if I was intimidated by Premiere 6.1, what am I going to do with After Effects and all. I don't know...

I still feel like there is something I don't understand about the features of capture cards to explain why you would want one. It can't be just that Premiere Pro makes them unnecessary - since Canapus and Matrox make cards that work with Premiere Pro. But it seems like all a capture card really needs to do is get data from the camera to the hard drive with as little degradation as possible, and then the software takes over - but I'm pretty vague on the details, and I'm sure there is more to different CODECs than I know. I will capture AV either through my camera pass-through or with an AIW card-which ever works better.

I'm sure this will all make more sense as I get more experience.

dpalomaki
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In addition to providing analog I/O, some capture cards include graphics processors that can speed rendering, transcoding, and provide real-time effects that are beyond the capability of typicla PCs running on the processor only. Nice to have if one is into heavy duty video editing. Not essential for hobby and casual users.

The degree of benefit provided depends on the capture card, the rest of the PC system, and the type of editing and authoring you are doing

themartaman
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Check Dells site for Movie Studio 2 drivers

themartaman
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Dell drivers are 2.31

hotguy
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JVID.. can you give me a link or send me the driver ..i tried the driver on dazzle website and "dell" but nothing work.. my card is "fast-dazzle DV.now ver 1.4 or any one has same with my card and have a driver please help me...

JVID
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hotguy...
The latest version of the drivers I have is 175264 (ver 1.75 build 0264) and it's about 17MB - probably not emailable. It (a zip)consists of 13 files named SETUP.exe, and SETUP.02-13, which you unzip into a dir and then run SETUP.exe.
This one is on the Pinnacle site at (ready?):

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsupport1.asp?division_id=1&langue_id=7&product_id=1470&product_name=&page_id=656

Near the bottom of the page are two links for Dazzle - the 1st one is the one you want.

JVID

dpalomaki
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I wonder about the versions at that site. The link reads 1.75 (Build 264). But the zip file download from the link is named 1_7_255.zip and contents files are dated 3-21-2002, which hints that it corresponds to release 1.7, (build 255).

I am currently running 1.75 (Build 263), and most of its files are dated 7-18-2002.

JVID
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Hmm... You're right. The file I've got (I don't know where I got it from - apparently Dazzle), is dated 7/10/2003. The files in the ZIP are dated the same, and the ZIP file name is FAST175264.ZIP, altho I may have renamed it to that. I remember that I d/l'd the files individually and zipped them up, so the dates may correspond to the date I d/l'd them, not the original date.

Is a puzzle..

JVID

JVID
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Udate:

Checking Help->About in my FAST Forward shows that it's Ver 1.75 Build 0264 for sure.
As I said, I don't remember where I d/l'd it from.

JVID

dpalomaki
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Does the software, help, about, or opening splash screen say "Pinnacle" anywhere on it?

JVID
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Quote:
Originally posted by dpalomaki:
Does the software, help, about, or opening splash screen say "Pinnacle" anywhere on it?

Nope - Splash has FAST/Dazzle logo, and at the bottom is "Copyright 2000, 2001 Dazzle Europe Gmb"

JVID

guoxin
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hello my friend:
i v got this card a month ago,but did't use it.
i'm downlord DV .now AV driver 1_7_0255,system show: no hardware was detected.im try setup premiere6.5 first; failure too.
can you help me!
thanks!

dpalomaki
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What operating system are you using? What motherboard?

In general you should uninstall any current capture cards and their driver software.

Then install Premiere.

Power down the PC and insert the DV,now AV card. Some slots may work better than others depending on what else is in the PC. Hard to predict which in advance. Try slot 2 first if you can.

Power up the PC

Do not allow windows to install drivers. There should be three instances of windows trying to install a driver. Skip each

Then install the DV.now AV driver software.

In the end you should see three FAST related divers on your hardware.

However, be aware that some motherboards chip sets (especially older VIA sets, and some~ 2001 vintage Dell systems) have presented problems for DV.now AV. Also a number of people have had problems with Windows XP systems. DV.now AV appears to work better with Windows 2000.

guoxin
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my motherboard is topstar 815 and CPU is p3 800.my system is xp SP2.
I was try as you said.but failure.
i am note that my card is DV NOW AV1.4.But software is 1_7_0255,its like for DV NOWAV1.7.
can you tell me where can I downlord the software DV NOWAV1.4?
THANKS.

dpalomaki
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The 1.7 software should work with the 1.4 card - they do not have to match. The issue may be Windows XP, which was to my knwoledge was never truely and completely supported by DV.now AV before it was discontinued by Dazzle prior to sale to Pinnacle.

Can you try Win2K?