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bluesman
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One thing i find just as annoying as the Cam manufacturers and the DV-IN/OUT issue is one of motherboard compatibility.

Looking at the list of motherboards that are compatible with some of the better NLE cards like the Storm, they are so out of date, some of the boards cannot be purchased anymore.

As an example, take Canopus and their "scaleable" technology.
Well it's only scaleable if you can actually take advantage of the new technology but if manufacturers don't test their products regularly, how are you able to know what you buy will work without a great outlay.

You would think that NLE manufactuers would talk to others to try and make sure what is bought out has a half decent chance of working but no, it's up to the poor mug of a punter to do the testing, quite often resulting in wasted money.

And what does a company like Canopus say in their defence ?, they say that they don't have enough technical staff to do it and that NLE is only a small part of their business. Did you know that they were the leaders in graphic cards in Japan ?.
Who cares !!!

If a company says it does not have the resources to test it's product, how does it hope to compete ?

Just one thing that gets my blood boiling.
You would think there would be a PCI bandwidth test that could be done (based on my view that the biggest hurdle with higher end cards seems to be chipset compatibility/PCi bandwidth issues).

Take the VIA 400 chipset as a good example. Not recommended by any of the big 3, but do they talk to VIA ?
I'll bet not.

Rant over LOL

Just thought it may be worth a mention

markshelton
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Just buy Tyan motherboards....well they just work and they are not packed full of crap like many motherboards I can think of.

harlequin
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Take the VIA 400 chipset as a good example. Not recommended by any of the big 3, but do they talk to VIA ?
I'll bet not.

maybe by now a motherboard manufacturer should be checking that their product works with what is already out there , it's not like via/amd havn't had problems before today .......

Gary MacKenzie

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bluesman
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Gary I couln't agree more, so I wrote to VIA and they promised to take a look at things.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Some manufacturers are not interested. Somebody over on the Canopus forum was having problems getting his Storm to work on a new ASUS PE board and it would not assign an IRQ for him, so I suggested he mail Intel, who replied to say that Canopus should do all the testing.

Sometimes it's just a lose/lose situation

bluesman
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Unfortuately Mark, as good (and expensive) as Tyan are, they too have thir fair share of problems to quote a Storm user and their Tiger 2460, "not for the feight hearted"

WDB
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As a rule of thumb, aviod motherboards which use VIA chipsets when building an NLE machine.

VIA's PCI bus is the worst in the business, regardless of board manufacturer, and VIA's IEEE1394 is not OHCI compliant.

[This message has been edited by WDB (edited 23 October 2002).]

gordo
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in canopus's defence, they have recently released details of new boards that have been tested and certified (?) for use with the storm.

If you keep an eye on the canopus user forums, generally they post these sort of details there first.

Gordo

bluesman
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Gordo I would have to partly disagree with you there.

I am on the forum each day and it seems there is more confusion all the time.

Thank god for us users helping each other out.

I know that Canopus say they are re-vamping the list but they have said that for 3 months now.

I'll go over and check on the latest.

Thanks