November's new-look CVE with cover DVD - what do you think?

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This thread is for discussing November's new-look CVE with cover DVD.

It's important that we get readers' feedback as soon as possible because there is so much new stuff that we want to get absolutely right as soon as possible - the layout, the balance of editorial articles, and, of course, the cover DVD.

So, please let us know what you think - so we can make your mag the way you want it to be.

Thanks in anticipation.

Bob C

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Just recieved the mag here, first impressions are GOOD! I like the size layout and a quick look through there is alot more that will interest me. Well done Bob + team! Ive not even got as far as the DVD yet!

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The first thing that my postman and I noticed about the new look / size mag is that it no longer fits through the letterbox.

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very early delivery for a 'last thursday of month' magazine.

oh well , have to wait till monday to read mine , it gets shipped to work address.

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Mark M, It was sat outside my door, I didnt think of that until you mentioned it, it doesnt fit through mine now either, although I think thats the DVD more..

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Afternoon,

Like wise just recieved the mag and DVD, but my impressions are somewhat differant.

First off, the magazine was damaged by the DVD cover, which had in turn ripped the post bag, leading to a wet and bedraggled magazine. Maybe you ought to think about a thicker bag.

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Can I ask when it will be available in the newsagents?

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Recieved it today, and I personally couldn't be more happier with the changes, the Layout, Style and size, has made a huge improvement, let alone the fact I got a nice DVD with it also, Thankyou! Seems funny though that its taken 7 years..? Top job everyone, keep up the good work. Makes reading Computer Video Editing even more of a joy.

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I like the sideways designed DVD case cover, but the downside is that it's glued to the cover, which has forced my postman to fold and break the spine of the magazine to get it through the letter box. If the DVD case was glued in a 'standing' orientation, then the postman could fold the cover parallel to the spine, and it would cause less damage.

My inner child is very pleased with the glue! It peels off slowly... eeeeeeeoooooooooooo-sproiiiing. I got me some satisfaction out of that!

I love the sample videos from 12 inch design! They are great animated menu backgrounds.

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Oh, its a DVD. Or is it. Mine apears to be a plastic frisbee. No sign of any pits on the plastic side and the computer keeps asking me to "insert a disc". And no it will not fit through the letter box, hence the broken spine on the mag because the poor old postie had to bend it the wrong way. And I`ll reserve a comment on the new look mag untill I`ve had another good browse but there seems to be a lot of empty space in there.
Dougie Leaver

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My postman did the same - not too much damage and still better than having to go & collect it from the sorting office!

If there is an advantage having the DVD 'landscape' so it sits nicely on the news-stands is it possible to have the subscription copies pasted 'portait' or will that be too cumbersome?

First impressions though - very promising! The new size and layout feels good & I'm looking forward to picking up some tips from Greg Hawkes.

I think Lisa will have her work cut out filling the DVD each month, hope she's got lots up her sleeve.

Martin

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Well I think a definite pat on the back to all involved, the wih list seems complete. Well done all, a lot of effort has obviously been expended and should be well rewarded and acknowledged.

Chris

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just waiting for in the WH Smith - don't subscribe as Bob has said (on another thread) that survival depends on WHS not dumping the mag.

P.S. Does it have a Win XP SP2 CD?

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So there I was, sitting in front of the screen as per usual, trying to figure out what the strange noise was - turned out to be (as so many have already pointed out) the sound of the postman trying to get the excellent new mag through the letter box! Only one difference to the rest of the correspondence - my postman seems to have worked out a way of fitting it through the said orifice without breaking the spine - cue sci-fi music.....

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My postie had no problems,he just left it at the post office ,next door :D

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Has the font size become smaller, it may be that the printing is lighter with less contrast but in artificial light I do find it a little more difficult to read, more so than other magazines. Perhaps a magnifying glass with the next issue?

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yeah, i'll second that, David. I haven't read much of it yet, but with a quick flick through i noticed the smaller font and it does make it difficult to read... I assume its a design thing... a graphic designer friend of mine is always exstolling the virtues of finer print. It does look nicer but if it makes it harder to read i don't see the point.

on a more positive note, the content looks fabulous! i just hope Bob and the team can keep up the good work in subsequent issues - well done!

mark.

PS- the landscape DVD was a problem for me too - postie had to leave the mag with next door; not a post office, but just as friendly ;)

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Hi
Postman too broke the spine folding to get it through the letter box.

Small font makes the mag difficult to read late in the evening without going to find a PAG light or redhead!

I had to take the DVD out of my laptop immediately, as it is so out of balance due to the quite thick label coating being significantly off centre, that I thought my laptop dvd drive would vibrate itself to death.

I'm doing a copy now (from an old dvd player I don't value as much) so I view the disc later - and return the original...

I notice that the DVD label reads "The content of this DVD-ROM is for non-commercial private use only." However the 12 Inch Design licence seems at first reading to be somewhat less restrictive.

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When magazines talk about their latest redesign I must admit that it usually leaves me yawning. Usually if I can see the difference - I notice what's worse and see little that's an improvement. Well, this one's different, I really like the new size and design a lot, big improvement in my opinion.

I received my copy this morning and I was really wondering why the spine was torn through? Is someone at the local Post Office trying out for a world record tearing telephone directories? Of course - reading this thread I now see it's obvious - the Postman must have bent it in half to get it through the letterbox. So I guess there is a reason why other magazines don't put the DVD case mounted horizontally across the magazine... I think you're going to have to change that Bob. Looks great, just isn't practical for postal delivery.

I've only had a relatively quick look through the magazine and haven't inserted the DVD yet... that's a Sunday morning pleasure instead of newspapers;)

Well done Bob, Lisa and all, the Magazine just took a major leap forward and I'm sure you'll see increased sales and advertising as a result.

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Thank God others have noticed the small & fine print I thought my eyesight was going and I'm only 72! At least make it bold as I can't afford a magnifying glass.

My DVD came loose in the bag but I was still able to enjoy the glue peeling bit. Perhaps the solution to cater for those with less generously preportioned letterboxes would be to use CD jewel cases and save some money at the same time?

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Sorry to report I also received the new look torn spine CVE!

Not over fussed by the new paper size, I found it a little more floppy when holding it by hand, reading on the train.

Found the new graphic layout less cluttered, but have to agree with the small type comments.

Loved the photoshop DVD menu tutorial and the technology close up (PCI Express)
Reviews & DV Doctor great as always.

Not particularily interested in the Wedding stuff, but I can see why it has a place in the magazine.
More taken with the Alice Donut feature particularily people incorporating Flash animation into video.

Like sensible spread of software on the DVD, although my gripe is Magic Bullet doesn't appear available for LE or Avid (hardly CVE's fault though!), although in truth it'll still be the magazine that will be most important.

good luck with the revamp

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72? try 20!

just realised something about the DVD - i'm going to need a new shelf for the archive! i've still got a drawer full of CDs from the cover of Amiga Format all those years ago... i just can't bear to part with them... :rolleyes:

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Thank God others have noticed the small & fine print I thought my eyesight was going and I'm only 72! At least make it bold as I can't afford a magnifying glass.

Please DON'T just make it bold - that reduces legibility, not increases it. Unless, of course, it is considered that the text itself is unimportant.

If the font size has been reduced since the last publically availble issue then that is a retrograde step. (I don't yet have the mag as I buy from WHS).

John

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Still looking for a copy, but I have two remarks on this thread so far:

- presumeably the "sideways" DVD case is so the bulk mags stack better (more compactly) during transit - however, it's obviously causing a problem in letterboxes....

- perhaps a simple plastic envelope for the DVD (although less "posh") would solve several problems at once (like - dare I say it - Digit mag uses) such as production costs, transport costs, postman+letterboxes, archive shelf space needed, etc., etc.

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since i still don't have mine i'm only responding to above posts :

I'm sure Lisa needs the above like a hole in the head ......
she sweated buckets to get this out.
and all we can complain about is the storage medium for the coverdisc.

we know from BOB that what he thought was happening with the title is no more ..... so what chance they knew about how the disc would be mounted , or the 'change' in font.

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erm... seems quite a good chance that the editor would know about the change in font Gary... and the orientation of the DVD is integeral to the design of the cover so again, i'd expect Bob to know something about it.

noone is doubting the fact that everyone at CVE towers has worked their arses off to get the new format with DVD and some great content out to us all and for that we're gratefull. We're just bouncing around some constructive critisism based on first impressions. Judging from comments so far, most haven't even got so far as reading the mag yet, just a quick glance through. I'm sure heavy praise will be on it's way soon enough.

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Gary, remember your copy will be delivered at work with spine intact, DVD unbent and glue still adherent. Furthermore, because of your age you don't have difficulty with low contrast or small print BUT obviously several do and the GPO has got a bit of a problem with delivery.

It is not a reflection on Lisa, Bob or anyone else who has done such stirling work, and I expect, in their professional capacity, they would rather know about these shortcomings, at least then they can see if anything can be done rather than lose readers.

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sorry if anyone took offense , that wasn't the intention.

i'm sure the mag team will take heed of what is being said , i just feel sorry for them having worked so hard.

i've had a bad week at work with similar problems outwith my control , and the similarity was a little too close for comfort.

by the way , at 41 this year with cronic short sightedness ( i can see about 6 inches clearly with left eye without glasses and 3 inches with the right eye), i probably will have difficulty reading the print if others are.

as for postoffice supplying it to my work undamaged , i hope so , but considering the mag normally arrives with a damaged spine because all our mail gets delivered in 'tatty sacks' , i don't suspect it will.

update 21/09 20.30
i finally got mine today , seems postman went via beijing.

packaging basically intact.
small damage to spine at place where algato is written.

text is not as bad as i thought it might be , but an extra point size may help.
now off to play with dvd .........

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Last year I had all my windows and doors replaced with double glazing. I can only assume that the letter box opening size of my new front door has been designed with future proofing in mind as my magazine was in pristine condition. I like the new design and layout, it's obvious that a lot of time and effort has been spent by the CVE team.
Perhaps it's just me, but the DVD WS2 tutorials crash my pc. I have not looked at all the video tutorials yet, so I'm not sure if I have problems with any of the others, but I suppose this could be a fault with the disc rather than the tutorial files, as I assume all the video tutorials are encoded the same way.

Thanks to one and all

Rick

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Rick, try copying the file to your hard drive and then playing it.

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I've taken a little time before posting my comments as I wanted to assess the "new" magazine as well as the DVD.

Generally I am impressed. Lots of stuff to play with on the DVD. Plenty of very useful tutorials and utilities, not to mention the stock footage.

The mag', well I'm not convinced. As usual some very good well written articles, but is there more content? If there is, is it due just to the new page size? Or is it due more to the smaller, finer font? (I think its the latter).

For me with eyesight problems similar to Harlequin, I do find it a strain to read.

Like a number have reported, my envelope and mag were damaged due to the letter box size.

Sorry if I appear a little negative. I do approve the editorial desire to change/improve the magazine. I just think it needs a little fine tuning.
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I am certain that there is more content. With the old magazine I could read it cover to cover in the length of time it took me to have a good soak in the bath. It took a bath and a bit to get through it all this time.
I do like the look too, but in common with other readers I found the font colour/background combinations and the weight of the fonts did make it quite hard to read.
Haven't got to the DVD yet.

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Thanks VERY much for the comments so far - please keep them coming!

We are in the process of making changes which, hopefully, will address the problems identified here - including the landscape positioning of the on-cover DVD and font issues.

Cheers

Bob C
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The Video World is going 16:9 and your going 4:3?

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I find the new font a little to small and definitely too lacking in contrast to read comfortably - definitely a retrogade move. If you can't read it easily the bu**er the fashionable trends.

The new size does not fit my neat row of magazine holders.

Love the tutorials on the DVD - more please.

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I used to need my reading glasses. Now i need a magnifying glass. Font size must be increased to a readable level.

Mike

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Thanks for the tip CSTV, but I seem to have a problem reading DVDs generally; trying to copy a file from the DVD can cause a crash. Time for a re-install soon.................

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SIZE DOES MATTER
Having subscribed to CV since day one and having recommended it to all my clients, on video editing courses, I never thought I would have any reason to complain. That is until last Friday.
As I was about to leave home four letters dropped through the letter box followed by another missive which wedged part way through. Opening the door I recognised from the familier grey packing that it was my latest issue of CVE. Imagine my suprise when I found I could neither push it through or retrieve it - totally stuck! My only option was to tear open the shrink wrap, extract the new feature DVD and try and draw out the actual magazine. This had the effect of shredding the edge of the front cover and several pages.

Based on this experience would it be possible to go back to the original size of magazine or disgard the DVD case for postal subscribers? I also subscribe to another computer magazine (PC Pro)who send out DVD's to postal subsribers in paper sleeves.

The only other option would be to pick up my copy from WHS's shelves with the risk of missing a copy from my hitherto complete set.

Any suggestions Bob?

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I also subscribe to another computer magazine (PC Pro)who send out DVD's to postal subsribers in paper sleeves.

Trevor
Not what I'm getting, thin plastic DVD cases in recent months (Delivered open ended this month), however XPSP2 & Visual Basic were in paper sleeves.

Back to CVE

First thoughts
Font size is small & the light colour of the text is not good on the eyes.

Buying/Displaying
I went into WHS (Brecon) this morning, asked the girl which section CVE was under, as they were just stocking the shelves, she gave me the first one out of the unopened pile.

Paid for CVE at the till & then I overheard the girls discussing CVE displaying. saying 'Which section should it be in Computer or camcorders etc.' I went over & said that this is a bone of contention with the editor & that he would prefer it to be displayed with the video related magazines.

LOUD voice from the till
'Excuse me, Management have said that Computer Video Editing is to be displayed with the Computer magazines!!!

John leaves shop with tail between legs :( ;)
(Thinking, well I tried, looking for a wall to bang my head against ;) ).

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Bob, perhaps some small print on the barcode area of the cover could clear up this missunderstanding over shelf possition...?

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Much better content, takes me twice as long to get through now, so must be better! Unless that is -> Unfortunately, I now need a magnifying glass for the text, light grey and very small on shiny paper is not good - it's not until page 62 I can actually read easier (still not easy though).

And yes the spine was smashed to bits, the DVD needs to be virtical.

If those two things could be changed then a big thumbs up from me.

Cliff.

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A quick update:

1/ DVD positioning. Someone, rather cleverly I thought, has found a better solution than simply changing the DVD to be upright. What we'll do is have the disc upright on subscription copies that get posted out, but horizontal on the copies that go in-store. Horizontal, the current thinking goes, is better at point of sale.

2/ Font sizes, colours and styles.
We will definitely be making changes to address the (in my view well-founded) complaints.

3/ In-store location. The mag should be with the video mags, so John, you were right. I really like cstv's idea of putting something on the barcode for the shelf-stockers to look at and will discuss this with TPTB in the office.

4/ Richard - thanks for the smart-arse remark!

;)

Trouble is, of course, that the new mag is closer to widescreen than the old!

More comments most gratefully received (whether re-inforcing what others have said or making new points) - though not if they are on the lines of one particular email I received, which started off (honestly!), "This really will not do!"

:(

Bob C

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"1/" above will impact the choice and layout of the cover picture and copy, surely, Bob? - necessitating an "L-shaped" area of "nothing important"!!!

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2/ Font sizes etc.

White on white avoids arguments and a chunky heavyweight type such as Klingon Carnage is easily visible, even to the blind. It would give Lisa's mob a 'raison d'etre', at a stroke solve CVE's font probs and really, there cannot be many Computer Video Editing Mags written entirely in Klingon, It might also help WHS decide where best to put it.

I am, Sir, etc etc

David
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1/ So the horizontal DVD cover then disappears behind the other mags that are stacked in front of it rather than peeking provocatively out, and people replacing mags try to ram them down and screw up the horizonally mounted DVD cover, so increasing the replacement costs. The Digital Photo mags with the horizontal DVD or CD mount are looking decidedly tired.

But hey - I'm only an ignorant punter who doesn't know what's good for me.

Anyone read Dilbert on a regular basis?

John

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Have subscribed for about 3 years. Seeing Bobs posting about WHS needing us to buy CVE there I did not renew this time. Bought first issue in Waterford on holiday for 7.11Euros. When I saw the postings about Nov Issue with DVD rushed out to WHS in town on Tuesday 21/9/04 and almost bought the Waterford issue again, till realised it looked a bit familiar. There were at least 3 copies of OCT CVE an the shelves, at least 1 day after the NOV CVE was available in other WHS stores. It pays to look closely- must rush off to get the NOV from WHS!!
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PS
Posted at 11.30 am- Board clock 1.08pm- things are getting worse!Is it European time??

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Time test at 14:00

Currently a 20 min time difference.

So, where are you reading the clock from?

I'll see if I can sort the 20 min difference over the weekend but last time I tried to sort it out I failed miserably!

Bob C

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"1/" above will impact the choice and layout of the cover picture and copy, surely, Bob? - necessitating an "L-shaped" area of "nothing important"!!!

Not sure I fully understand.

The only important thing in terms of the design is how it looks on the shelf - not how it looks in the subscribers' bagged up copies.

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Originally posted by John Colby:
1/ So the horizontal DVD cover then disappears behind the other mags that are stacked in front of it rather than peeking provocatively out, and people replacing mags try to ram them down and screw up the horizonally mounted DVD cover, so increasing the replacement costs. The Digital Photo mags with the horizontal DVD or CD mount are looking decidedly tired.

But hey - I'm only an ignorant punter who doesn't know what's good for me.

Anyone read Dilbert on a regular basis?

John,

A very good point and one that I'll look into.

Cheers

Bob

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Originally posted by David Evans:
2/ Font sizes etc.

White on white avoids arguments and a chunky heavyweight type such as Klingon Carnage is easily visible, even to the blind. It would give Lisa's mob a 'raison d'etre', at a stroke solve CVE's font probs and really, there cannot be many Computer Video Editing Mags written entirely in Klingon, It might also help WHS decide where best to put it.

I am, Sir, etc etc

David
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David,

You need to start taking your dried frog tablets, as prescribed.

;)

Bob C

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Originally posted by John Colby:

Anyone read Dilbert on a regular basis?

me.

i work with most of dilberts 'colleagues'.

the management have all learned the 'weasel words' required to get on in life while stabbing others in the back.

IT purchasing being dictated by price per unit and not capabilities.

latest alleged foul-up :

4 x wireless data projectors ordered for rooms with no way of wiring long svga cables etc to ceiling positions.

what do they order ..... the 'cheaper' non wireless versions.

so when they eventually come to fit them to the rooms we will have to budget for 4 x 10 metre shielded svga cables , plus power points , etc.

total saving before buying new cables , 10.00 per unit , the wireless ones were on special offer , including free 2nd lamps.

no doubt it will be my fault..............

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Glad to hear you agree about the type, Bob.

"2/ Font sizes, colours and styles.
We will definitely be making changes to address the (in my view well-founded) complaints."

I can just about manage with reading glasses AND a magnifying glass but I keep losing track of which line I'm on.

Re the L-shaped waste of space: I agree with you. The subscriber copies don't need to attract us by the front cover. We've already bought it.

Steve

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Bob, Your post was at 14.00 but on my computer registered on the board at 03.38pm.
However, got NOV issue at WHS. spine intact, font a little small for my 50year old eyes but otherwise looks very good indeed. WHS scanned the mag and charged me £3.99. Got home and found it is now £5.99. WHS loose £2 because they have not updated their barcodes!
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But must sort the clock
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Tony Roberts

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Ps
Am in Derbyshire and my computer clock is currently correct.
Tony Roberts

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OK, so just bought the mag from WHS @ The Fort in Birminhgham.

4 copies of the mag were on display on the lowest rack near the ground, one being upside down and back to front. On none could the DVD be seen. Two DVDs were detatched from their mags. I had to fish to get a complete copy. And had to check that the DVD was present because the case was open, and that the DVD was not scratched.

And as yet I haven't opened it to read, merely to look at the typeface and size. From this one look it'll require more concentration to read.

John

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Originally posted by adgroberts:
Bob, Your post was at 14.00 but on my computer registered on the board at 03.38pm.
However, got NOV issue at WHS. spine intact, font a little small for my 50year old eyes but otherwise looks very good indeed. WHS scanned the mag and charged me £3.99. Got home and found it is now £5.99. WHS loose £2 because they have not updated their barcodes!
CVE Dix Point
WHS zero Point
But must sort the clock
Regards
Tony Roberts

Tony - I really don't understand what you are saying about the clock discrepancy.

As for the barcode - thanks for telling me about this - I've passed it on to the powers that be

Bob

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Timetest at 00:58

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Timetest at 01.01

Well, I've failed miserably again!

Still 20 mins out.

:(

Bob C

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Bob, Your post was at 14.00 but on my computer registered on the board at 03.38pm.

Tony, go into your profile and edit, in preferences, the time shift to be zero - it defaults to (I think) 1.3 hours. Then you'll only be twenty minutes out like the rest of us.

John

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John
Gotcha!
Not a lotta peolple know that
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Tony

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Now I am 20 minutes out like everyone else. I suppose the question is why is the default time difference in profiles set at 1.3 hours?
Regards
Tony Roberts

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As a PS to WHS and barcodes, they'd updated them by last night.

John

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I just checked my receipt for Thursday £3.99

The Store manager? paid £2.00 to upset me ;)

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4 copies of the mag were on display on the lowest rack near the ground, one being upside down and back to front. On none could the DVD be seen

As an ex-magazine shelf stacker i feel i must defend the staff... we would curse magazines that had CD/DVD cases on the cover making them near impossible to put on shelves that really are not designed for it! DVDs may look nicer in plastic cases but paper ones are by far the better option when it comes to shelf presentation. Turning mags head to toe was one solution, but looks a bit silly. We would often either put them at the bottom of the shelf or just leave them in boxes in the store room if they didn't fit.

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a really off the wall idea :

if the magazine was printed with an identical but 180 degree out back and front cover ( i.e back on printed upside down) , then you could stack them on shelves and people would still see the 'front cover'.

maybe time to sell 2 x 1/2 back cover adds , one on the 'front' , one on the 'back'

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lol... 'tis all i can say... ingeneous, but i doubt it will catch on... :(

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Just bought the November edition, Quite a change for me, but do like the size/layout.

Will have a good read tonight....
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Very much like the new look, feel more comfortable commenting after a good read, funny really felt like a good old book, (One you have read before, but felt comfortable as soon as you pick it up again),

Have to say though, would like a few more reviews on the DVD, perhaps with a few tutorials...?

Kind Regards.

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Stuart,

Not sure what you mean when you say you'd like to see "a few more reviews on the DVD, perhaps with a few tutorials"

Care to elaborate?

Bob C

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Bob
Sorry to return to the clock- I truely am not obsessed with it, but am trying to understand. As John said above if one edits ones profile time to 0 rather than the default 1.3, then the posting time and real BST are only 20 minutes out. If I do not log in then the times are 1hour 20 mins out. Is this explained by the difference between GMT and BST, i.e. come November all will only be 20 minutes out? I know it is of absolutely noooo importance ....except perhaps?
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Tony Roberts

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Bob

Back to the font.

Why is the font on page 58 smaller than that on page 68? 68 I can read, 58 I can't. The point size factor seems to be about 7:6 for those two pages.

Also, even more difficult (IMHO) are the wider columns on page 18. In the smaller font size they're just running into each other. And for all of this the effect under tungsten light rather than daylight or daylight type bulbs is more pronounced, so it's a double whammy - when I get home I'm usually tired after work, it's dark so I'm reading by artificial light, and it's more difficult.

And is the ink really grey? or does it just seem that way because the paper isn't taking the smaller font size as it should?

John

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Bob

Back to the font.

Why is the font on page 58 smaller than that on page 68? 68 I can read, 58 I can't. The point size factor seems to be about 7:6 for those two pages.

Also, even more difficult (IMHO) are the wider columns on page 18. In the smaller font size they're just running into each other. And for all of this the effect under tungsten light rather than daylight or daylight type bulbs is more pronounced, so it's a double whammy - when I get home I'm usually tired after work, it's dark so I'm reading by artificial light, and it's more difficult.

And is the ink really grey? or does it just seem that way because the paper isn't taking the smaller font size as it should?

John,

Please read this thread.

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Bob
Sorry to return to the clock- I truely am not obsessed with it, but am trying to understand. As John said above if one edits ones profile time to 0 rather than the default 1.3, then the posting time and real BST are only 20 minutes out. If I do not log in then the times are 1hour 20 mins out. Is this explained by the difference between GMT and BST, i.e. come November all will only be 20 minutes out? I know it is of absolutely noooo importance ....except perhaps?
Regards
Tony Roberts

Tony,

Pass.

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Bob

Which thread?

I'm getting lost where all the comments are.

John

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The content of the Mag looks great and I have no problems with the new size but something needs to be done about the new font size & weight. Its's no good having a great magazine if it's difficult to read without a magnifying glass!

Haven't got to the DVD yet.

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Previously you could order older/past issues... with the cost of the DVD perhaps, cover again from issue one of the original mag on the DVD, so people could have the option of past reviews tutorials, and give us all the option of saving them as a library.

I would also love, a beginners guide to building an editing system from scratch/tutorial on the dvd section/per month.

Kind Regards as always

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Stuart,

Not sure what you mean when you say you'd like to see "a few more reviews on the DVD, perhaps with a few tutorials"

Care to elaborate?

Bob C

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Stuart,

"Previously you could order older/past issues... with the cost of the DVD perhaps, cover again from issue one of the original mag on the DVD, so people could have the option of past reviews tutorials, and give us all the option of saving them as a library."

Don't think I'm been awkward, but can you please translate?

John Colby,

Pass

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Tony (Roberts)

The vast majority, if not all, bulletin boards take their posting time from the clock of the hosting server. If the person who set up the server did not choose to get one of the many free programs to synchronise their server time with one of the many free atomic clock facilities availble on the internet, that's an administration problem.

It would take five minutes. However I have seen many spurious arguments raised on another thread why is is much, much more complicated than I could possibly imagine. It's probably something I should have realised in the fifteen years I've been doing it for myself and the companies I've worked for during that period, but I've seen more problems and time wasted over clocks being wrong than any problems over them being right.

It needs administrator access to the server and an undertanding of how that bit of the operating system works. Until someone takes that action, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it.

John

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I've been visiting here for some months now, so I decided I'd buy the mag for the first time. Imagine my disappointment to find only last months in Kettering's WHS and none in Wellingborough WHS. Gonna have to look further afield!

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Well I'm still picking up this months mag and finding interesting content in it, that is definately a good sign!

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I think it's great. Lots more info. Sods law the DVD Menus article is one of those in very small faint print - had to go out and get some glasses! Why not make the puffy promo pages smaller and make the stuff that matters easier to read. Please don't let the Art dept. go down the DVWorld route of design. Well done to all concerned I look forward to the coming issues.

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The new mag format is great. I was lucky in that I never really noticed the font size being too small, but making it larger wouldn't hurt I guess.

Nice to have a DVD with some good bits on it. Would love to see Pinnacle Liquid Edition get a mention in the tutorials section soon. Also, some reviews and tutorials on compositing software like Combustion, After Effects, and Boris Red would be cool too.

Well done to your team though.

Torrent

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Have only just managed to find it in SE London. Thought I had missed it this month.

It looks fine to me (haven't got far yet) but I put the DVD in and tried to play the stock footage.

What do I need to play them, as they wont run in windows media player. I suspect I may be missing something obvious as no one else has mentioned it.

BobA

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i think the stock footage is all mov , therefore requires quicktime or another program capable of replaying quicktime mov files

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Gary is right about the MOV footage - but you can download QT free.

All four of the very latest versions are available here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

However, a large number of video editing programs will have a version of QT on their install disc, so although you'd be better to get the latest version from Apple, you might find you've already got an earlier version on an installer CD and would prefer to use that if you don't have a fast internet connection.

As a general point, some people have said that the footage is very slow.

Well, it's not, it's just that many PCs will struggle to play that sort of data rate from DVD, so what you should do is copy to hard disk, at which point it plays normally.

And, of course, if you are actually going to use the footage, you do want it to be on hard disk.

Also, I say no word of a lie when I tell you that I'm not usually impressed by copyright-free footage but once Lisa forced me to have a look at the stuff she was lining up for the disc, I was hooked.

The 12in Design footage is especially good, not just because of the quality but because there's lots of clever extras - such as Adobe After Effects projects, and a whole bunch of upper/lower thirds, for doing captioning and the like.

Bob C

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Thanks.
Loaded quicktime after several attempts.
My computer has always hated quicktime.

The stock footage looks great but it is still slow after being put on my hard disk.

Could it be that my 850mz state of the art,mind bogglingly fast CPU is no longer at the cutting edge.

BobA

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Hope the print run is costing less, I assume this is what all this is about, the quality of the jacket doesn't feel as good.

The content is as good as ever though!

This is my Signature so don't take offense:

"The box said Windows 98 or better - so I bought a Mac"

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Went into WHS at the Fort, Birmingham tonight. One CVE wihtout the DVD - assistant couldn't find it.

Asked about other horizontally displayed DVD cases and was told they were more difficult to display that the vertically aligned stuff. Other comment - "The thin CDs are much easier."

This is probably old news.

John

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Sorry for big gap since last posting, but it takes a while for the mag to reach Australian retailers.

Surprised that only one of the above posts mentioned the "floppiness" of the new size. Perhaps a small point, but it does make it less comfortable to hold than the previous size.

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It's an amazing world. You are all getting the November edition in September and here we are getting the September edition in November.
Gordon

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My subscription copy has still not reached sunny Freo.

Keep checking with the postie....
Dave

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I had to go to a major W H Smiths in Milton Keynes to get my copy. When I eventually found it on the Top Shelf ! I couldn't find the attached DVD I looked through all of the other copies, NO dvd. Then I found a stack of the DVD's on their own at the back of the shelf. Looks good though I am very pleased with the last issue and I hadn't noticed the small font problem.

cheers

Steve Allen

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Still waiting for the November issue to arrive at my bookseller. Very unusual for it to be this late.
Er will this be the case for all the remaining issues?

Can anyone please tell me if the supply for New Zealand was sent out, or am I going to miss getting any of the long awaited cover dvd.
Gordon