new system for hd video editing

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cogent
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i am planning to do HD video editing for weddings and some domestic events. as i am in this profession since 2008. someone else was doing the editing for me. but I don't know where to start. if anyone can advise me what system configuration do i need do HD video editing and what is the best place to buy the system for this purpose.
thanks.

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Just about any desktop system for the last year or so should work fine with consumer HD formats.

However, for anyone to give you more detailed advice, there are a number of questions that you need to think about and answer first. Here are the first few that spring to mind:

  • What kind of HD are you intending to use as your primary footage?
  • How will the footage be recorded, eg to card, HDD, tape?
  • What is your realistic budget?
  • What software are you intending to use?
  • PC or Mac?
  • What sort of monitoring do you need?
  • Are you intending to output to Blu-Ray or web or media player?

Come back with answers to these and I'm sure you'll get much more useful advice. Best to start by telling us what camera you have been using for the past few years.

Dominic

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hi
as i mentioned above i need a system which i can use to edit dv and hd videos mainly for the weddings . i have got Sony Z1 and now i want to start the editing myself as i am starting from the scratch. i wanna use CS5 for the editing . that's all i know so far . so anyone can help me out what system configuration do i need to do this . i am also intending to output blu ray.
thanks

Dave R Smith
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I also find 'right' hardware choice difficult.
My thread (ignore title) may help.
Co-incidentally I also have Z1.
http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=52303

If you answer Dominics question (output formats / budget/pc/mac) he and others may be able to give further guidance.

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col lamb
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How are you at building your own PC?

If you do not know where to start then the first place is to ring Syren Technology up in Bury and arrange to go and see them.

Simon there is very helpful and they will build a PC to suite your requirement.

You may want to get costs for similar systems from the likes of DVC down south and PlanetDV who are just over the border in Yorkshire, Scan in Bolton build editing PC's are part of their computer buisness but they are not dedicated editing PC builders.

When you have worked out what you want PM me and I'll provide you with a cost myself to build you a system.

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col lamb wrote:
How are you at building your own PC?

If you do not know where to start then the first place is to ring Syren Technology up in Bury and arrange to go and see them.

Simon there is very helpful and they will build a PC to suite your requirement.

You may want to get costs for similar systems from the likes of DVC down south and PlanetDV who are just over the border in Yorkshire, Scan in Bolton build editing PC's are part of their computer buisness but they are not dedicated editing PC builders.

When you have worked out what you want PM me and I'll provide you with a cost myself to build you a system.

It's Siren Technology @ http://www.sirentechnology.co.uk/
DVC @ http://www.dvc.uk.com/
and
PlanetDV @ http://www.planetdv.net/

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Arthur.S
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Personally, I think all of those 'specialist' dealers are ludicrously expensive for what Cogent needs. Even a base PC these days copes with video editing. Try PC Specialist. Bought my current editing station from them around 3 years ago....it's never missed a beat. I wouldn't expect to spend more than £1200 when I replace it. The real problem Cogent will be the software learning curve. ;)

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and, you'll need a more powerful beast to approach realtime in PPro too, also more specific and potent grahics card - however HDV is reasonably easy to playback, not as tough as AVCHD.

Take a look at Edius, gives you massive realtime resources, on a "normal" system.

Paul :-)

col lamb
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Guys I have already had a request for a specification from Cogent via a PM

He now has the spec of CPU, MOBO, RAM and GPU he needs to get started.

He also has Syren no more than 1/2 hour away from him and the same for Scan Computers if he wishes to go down that route and can actually see the systems working.

Arthur - as Paul has advised to get the best out of CS5 an off the shelf PC is unlikely to give the best performance, it is better to buy from a specialist or gather a specification that will work from people here who know and then to get a system built to that spec.

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You pay your money, you make your choice. You only need a small amount of PC knowledge to put a system together these days Col. I just did my next system on the link I posted above - plus an e-mail to specify a 3rd HDD. Took about 10mins, and cost £1279. It will fly. ;)

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Arthur.S wrote:
Even a base PC these days copes with video editing.

A base pc will not deal with HD editing .......................... which the OP says he wants to do.

cogent wrote:
I am planning to do HD video editing for weddings and some domestic events.
Arthur.S wrote:
You only need a small amount of PC knowledge to put a system together these days

But you need a lot more knowledge to set up hard-drives in best mode for HD Video editing , preferably raiding them.

And a good knowledge of how to set up the operating system for a more pleasurable editing experience.
And who is going to be your backup/support if and when things go wrong ?

Gary MacKenzie

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Trust me, you need that backup. That's one reason why I go to DVC, just to get access to Ringo. He's dug me out of holes several times. And the stuff works and works well, that's another reason.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

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harlequin wrote:
A base pc will not deal with HD editing .......................... which the OP says he wants to do.

But you need a lot more knowledge to set up hard-drives in best mode for HD Video editing , preferably raiding them.

And a good knowledge of how to set up the operating system for a more pleasurable editing experience.
And who is going to be your backup/support if and when things go wrong ?

Yes he mentioned HD Gary....but a Z1? HDV isn't it?
I'd never RAID an HDD for editing. My current setup (and the one before that) just has 2 extra HDDs. No special setup at all. Setting up the OS for editing died out when XP came in didn't it? The only dip of the cap to that I made on my current system was choosing Vista Business instead of 'Home'. Backup and support? You good people of course? :D

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Arthur.S wrote:
Yes he mentioned HD Gary....but a Z1? HDV isn't it?
I'd never RAID an HDD for editing. My current setup (and the one before that) just has 2 extra HDDs. No special setup at all. Setting up the OS for editing died out when XP came in didn't it? The only dip of the cap to that I made on my current system was choosing Vista Business instead of 'Home'. Backup and support? You good people of course? :D

HDV is HD , and Raid has always been suggested for multi-track HD editing, and raid isn't that much of a cost increase for the increased benefits.

All o/s's need tailored to remove unwanted processes while editing , and windows 7 is no different to windows xp in needing that done.

I can only backup/support the things I setup or use , as each system has peculiarities.

Gary MacKenzie

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harlequin wrote:
HDV is HD , and Raid has always been suggested for multi-track HD editing, and raid isn't that much of a cost increase for the increased benefits.

All o/s's need tailored to remove unwanted processes while editing , and windows 7 is no different to windows xp in needing that done.

I can only backup/support the things I setup or use , as each system has peculiarities.

HDV is a different ball game to full HD Gary. Even my previous system of Pentium(R) D 2.99gig CPU, 2 gig RAM handled 3 HDV cams in the multicam editor OK. Only rendering was a problem timewise. And actually, that system was literally off the shelf from Dell. I just installed extra HDDs - and I'm no computer genius that's for sure!

My current quad based system eats it up. Just rendered 45mins of HDV to MPEG2 DVD in less than an hour - with a two pass setting. So it's well in advance of 'real time'. The newer systems will be waaaaaaaaaayy in advance of that too.
One of the reasons I never went for RAID was reports of small jumps as the render moved to the next disk. Right or wrong, I stuck with single HDDs. They are so fast these days, who seriously needs RAID??

My editing OS has moved from win 98, win 2000 pro, XP Home, and now Vista Business 64bit. The first 2 needed optimising for sure. Never bothered with XP - and it was far and away the most stable editing platform I'd used. Vista Business, likewise. My only nod to 'optimising' those is no anti-virus software.

The OP specified a system for exactly what I use mine for. If you look at the link for the Siren system, it's a whopping £1686.71 for a far inferior system than the one I've just specced for more than £400 cheaper! I'll happily keep that in my back pocket. :)

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Gary, could you elaborate on shutting down processes for AVCHD editing on Win7? I've recently built a new system for Prem CS5, i7, raid5 12Gb, but any tips for that bit of extra performance would be gratefully received.

thanks

Chris

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Chris B
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...just had a quick look - do you mean this sort of thing?

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/11728-optimize-windows-7-a.html

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Arthur.S wrote:
HDV is a different ball game to full HD Gary.

Don't know what you mean by 'full HD', but if its 1920x1080, then it should be OK for a system that copes with HDV. Therefore, a true 'full HD' camera that uses say XDCAM EX should produce files that are compatible with your platform's capability.
If you mean AVCHD, (or some other MPEG4 derived codec) the even at 720p, more processing power is required.

Full HD is one of the most misused, (and often least understood) sales tags in the last 5 years.

Steve

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Chris B wrote:
Gary, could you elaborate on shutting down processes for AVCHD editing on Win7? I've recently built a new system for Prem CS5, i7, raid5 12Gb, but any tips for that bit of extra performance would be gratefully received.

thanks

Chris

If you are not connected to the net while editing ( or using network storage ) , switch off the firewall , disable the network card.
Switch off anti-virus.

There is a good list on Anton's site @ http://www.videoproductions.com.au/html/win7-tips.html , it's for edius , but should be same for most editing software.

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Thanks Gary

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