My time travel short film

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Harry Cross
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This is a short film which I have created for a school course, please give feedback as it helps me to improve in the future.
 
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Excellent piece, well scripted, well shot, very high editing skills and good colour grading skills, a good use of music - you'll go far, I look forward to seeing your name on something again. If I had to give one comment, it was the first 2 shot @ 03.42 just didn't quite look right to me as the camera moved right.

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Maxwell
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This is the second forum you have placed this video. Dont you think you had enough explanation by the members in the other Forum on your video and mine???????.
The members in this forum are all going to give you the same answers.
Tony Carter
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Maxwell, would you care to name the other forum, and perhaps we can all share your opinion?

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Maxwell
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This article was posted last month on MacRumours Forum. With quiet a few people giving him feedback. It covered all aspects of his video. I'm not saying he should not post this video. But he is more or less going to get the same input.
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But he is more or less going to get the same input

............................................................................................I don't use a Mac, so I don't subscribe to the forum you mentioned.  However, I did enjoy the clip and had it not been posted on this forum, the DVforums audience would'nt have had the opportunity to see it.

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Yes, Tony, I would not take away the pleasure of other members seeing his work. The comments on the other forum was very constructive and he learned a great deal what was said.
But I feel he is now peddling this video and is going to get the same info.
But I may be completely wrong with my view. I liked the video with a few but................
If I should submit  one of my videos on here and got feedbacks would i then spread the video around on different forums for feedbacks of the same nature? 
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Maxwell, I read MacRumours every day but not the forums, so I never saw it, even so, after all the help and advice you've received here, and with your film background I would have thought, you'd have been more tolerant and supportive of the upcoming younger generation asking for advice and criticism, even if it is duplicated across forums - you offered no more advice here other than a comment that it had been posted elsewhere, if you offered criticism and comments on the MacRumours post then there was no need to post anything here.  At least they posted a video and asked for criticism which is a step further than many people on this board have ever done. After a few minutes of watching it, I found I was watching the story more than the technical details, which is something I rarely do, so it must have been watchable and the whole point behind making it!
On this forum we've seen plenty of posts with moans and groans about 'wobble cam', out of focus, poor colour balance etc from drama productions on TV made by many of the mainstream companies so for this film, which has none of those, to be criticised for posting in 2 forums seems very harsh.

After your initial comment I did some digging, yes it's been posted elsewhere but what these 2 guys are doing is now called 'Viral Marketing', the modern way of getting your film out, watched and commented on - welcome to the 21st century.

During my digging around I also found "The Making of The Waters Echo", if you've not seen it I suggest you look for it and watch it, (I won't post it here in case I'm told it's posted in too many forums) - it puts a whole new perspective on how the film was made - you might even learn something and I look forward to finally seeing some of your work posted here after all the help and advice you've had from this board.
 

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I guess the point i have made seems to have been as if i'm having a dig?. I just dont see the point of going through the same procedure as this video had good cover and support as he request .
Anyway thank you for your comments and i will rest my case. 
Dave regards my situation. I have been making films and working on all aspect of the industry. I have no wish to show my work. I would if i was starting out. Some of my work has been on television manly documentaries on "THE BEATLES" in the days we used film.
I use this forum for computer technology information on FCP software etc as this is a very complex situation from film. Busy editing a project on FCPX.
I think computers has open the flood gates for many people to learn and play around making videos at a cheap cost. But many dont learn or understand the basic of making a video. Too much is spent on using plug ins to solve problems.
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Maxwell, I understand your point however, I found the MacRumours post, only 4 users commented and offered helpful advice, I don't recall seeing anything from you there, as a long time film industry professional I'd have thought it was important to pass on your knowledge and to nurture new talent to keep the "art" of film making alive regardless of how many forums they post on.
 
As I mentioned before, the YouTube clip of the "Making of" puts a new perspective on how these guys achieved what they did and I strongly suggest you watch it - a low end camcorder borrowed on a daily basis, a green screen sheet against the side of a shed, writing their own plugin to take out a white sky but leave the white string, ADR.....the list goes on, What these guys achieved with probably one twentieth of the equipment or less than most people on here, deserves to at least be commented on for effort.
 
This forum is struggling to stay alive, a new user posts and asks for comments on his film and is immediately told he's already posted elsewhere and what is the point of posting here - yep, that's going to help keep this forum going no end.

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please give feedback as it helps me to improve in the future

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             When the op asked for feedback on his film, I think he was seeking opinions on whether he might have done things differently to make a better presentation to his prospective audience. I don't see any problems if he used creative skills and hardware/software to produce his film -  the important thing is his story and people's reactions. The processes may have changed, in the same way that the options available to view films has changed, but surely just because prospective film makers do things differently, it does'nt necessarilly make them wrong.

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Sorry Dave he got 15 replies to the video not 4 as you stated and i did comment 2 times under a different name. I teach young video talent at schools at times. Also encourage to use forums and internet for feedback.
If i had 15 feedbacks on my video, why would i go to other forums for more of the same?. That is my point.
Good job we are all different with opinions. I think yours, and my opinions seem to clash?. I let you win.
DAVE M
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He's a school based media student who's made a good film. I assume that his teacher has encouraged him to seek opinions?
 
 Who are you to limit how many he has? If you don't wish to comment on his film, then don't.
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Maxwell wrote:
........why would i go to other forums for more of the same?.....
Because another forum will have another entirely different set of users - different ages, nationality, preferences, etc., etc.  Very useful to gather a wide range of opinions, I'd say.

Martin - DVdoctor in moderation. Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

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I watched the beginning and the end of the film and will try to watch it all once I finish painting
 
It's a very good effort, thank you for posting Harry, I will also try and watch the making of feature as mentioned by Dave

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Maxwell wrote:
Sorry Dave he got 15 replies to the video not 4 as you stated and i did comment 2 times under a different name.
 
What I actually said was "only 4 users commented and offered helpful advice" and not how many comments had been posted - that leaves another 10,000+ to comment on here or would have, if this forums comes back to life.
 

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Maxwell
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Actually it was 6 comments and one person gave him a long in depth account of his work. 
For a 14 year old he did a wonderful job.
Harry Cross
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foxvideo and maxwell, thank you so much for your posts, I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I am trying to get a nice wide variety of feedback for my work, I don't see why I should have to limit myself to a specific forum / specific audience.
 
 
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Great video Harry.  Enjoyed the filming and editing, particularly all the different angles you got from a (I asume) single camera shoot.
 
A nice twist on the "Groundhog Day" genere.
 
Feel free to post links to any other films you make.

Mike

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I don't see anything wrong in posting this video in this forum or in any other forums because like one member said,every forum have a different set of users,ages,nationality and perhaps opinions. I would say the video is greatly done! I specifically like the inclusion of the dog in the story.
Tony Carter
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Do a google search for the waters echo time travel - it is on the macrumors forum.

TonyC

Harry Cross
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Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Harry Cross
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Still appreciating feedback :)

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Without commenting greatly on the 'Great Forum Debate' I can only say that I hadn't seen it previously - I'm glad I did here though and I thoroughly enjoyed it.  Great work. 

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Harry Cross wrote:
This is a short film which I have created for a school course, please give feedback as it helps me to improve in the future.

Harry - welcome to the forum, and if I've got anything to say about posting to more than one forum for feedback, I'm only surprised you didn't post to a video-centric one first!

I'll confess that normally when I read comments along the lines of "please give feedback about my short film" I very rarely comment - only when I think "not bad", but maybe a few elements worth individual comment.

Your film was completely different. It showed a maturity of technique which is hard to credit as part of a school course. I wondered for a while if "Harry Cross" was actually a teacher, and had made the film as a teaching aid? (I'm assuming not!?)

That said, I'm assuming you want more than simple blind praise, and I hope you'll find the following helpful.

Firstly - good photographic composition all round. And good to see so much of it with solid framings and the action moving within the frame. On several occasions you start with a frame which the action moves into - it works well. 

Second  - good editing, also shows an appreciation of knowing how it was going to be edited at the time of shooting. Likewise, good use of music.

Thirdly - very nice use of effects. Effective whilst simple - and I'm thinking especially of the "changing seasons" sequence. (I don't want to give too much away!) The effects are effective whilst restraining any temptation to go over the top.

OK, now to be a bit more critical. (Sorry!) If I'd seen it advertised as a show on normal TV, what might I not have liked? It seems a little churlish, but I'm afraid the ending was a bit obvious - easy to see what was coming. It's easier to say than do, but as an example I'd point to the Swedish "Arne Dahl" series as an example of how it's possible sometimes to misdirect the audience to think they know what will happen - then put a sting in the tail. (As example, there's a scene at the beginning of one episode where the action splits between a man giving his daughter first lessons on her bike in a country road, and in car scenes of a family travelling along. It's obvious what's coming..... or is it.....?)

I also found myself a little confused as to what was happening at what time. Exactly what the younger boy had done to seemingly be getting criticism?

But I stress this is looking at it not as a school project but rather as general television - comparing it to what gets routinely broadcast. And given the script, the way it was realised was very, very good.

On the more technical side, my main feeling was that the very heavy "look" was overdone, at least to have it all the way through. Personally, I'd have preferred much more of the film to have had a more natural grade, possibly reverting to the look you gave it for specific scenes - to deliberately act as a pointer to what is "normal" - and what isn't?

But very, very good indeed.

Regarding the basic premise of the film, then if you're not already aware of it, you may be interested in an American film which has got a certain cult following - "Safety Not Guaranteed". ( http://www.safetynotguaranteedmovie.com/index.html for a trailer.) Available on Amazon from the States, though only as Region 1 AFAIK.

Best of luck for the future!


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Interestingly I just watched the trailer for this movie last night attached to locally purchased DVD (actually containing Headhunters and Jackpot - Jo Nesbo stories. Jackpot reminded me that Norwegian humor is different to mine even in a black comedy)

Anyway Safety Not Guaranteed is available here on special.
https://shop.jbhifi.co.nz/dvd/dvd-genres/comedy/safety-not-guaranteed/71758

At NZ $9.98 (= approx UK 5 pounds) even with postage cost should be affordable.

Gordon

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I heard the premise of "Safety Not Guaranteed" and was intrigued - enough to order the DVD. It's a pretty low budget film (though huge by the standards of a school project, I'm sure!! smiley ) but I can only say it has a certain something to it. others may think different.

Without giving anything away, it all hangs on the question of whether the "timetraveller" is simply a nutcase, or ...... ?

The title is based on a real advert that was placed, and one of the extras on the disc features the person who did that. A nice little touch is that he gets a cameo in the film - checking the mailbox.

It's also important to realise that it's a comedy for the most part - but generally done in quite a subtle way. Perhaps what appealed most to me about it was the characters - I found myself actually interested in them....

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Really good work Harry that's comparable to professional productions. 

My main criticisms would be that the grade is too heavy and you've missed the opportunity to give different grades to the different time periods. 

It looks looks quite overexposed, in the future you may wish to play with camera settings to record a very "flat" image which will give you more dynamic range to play with when grading. I don't know what programs you use currently, but experimenting with using mattes to apply different grades to different parts of the image would be interesting for you and allow you to create better stylised looks.  These things are hard to do on borrowed / school equipment though, it's much easier to learn if you have a camera you can really take the time to learn inside out. 

I'd suggest that you get the film about as much as you can, enter it in competitions, link to it from as many places on the web as you can.  You clearly have some considerable talent and I'd be surprised if you don't find opportunities for the future from this film.  

good luck!