At last! Humax PVR and Freesat+

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http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?class=countries&subclass=0&id=3163

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Freesat has announced its Freesat+ high definition recorder will go on sale from mid-November 2008.

The twin tuner Humax FOXSAT-HDR will be the only way to pause, rewind and record Freesat HD digital TV.........

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I have the HD ready TV, so can I assume that using FOXSAT + I can simultaneously watch one program in HD and record another…..food for thought.

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And with a Panasonic PZ tv that has Freesat built in, I could watch one and record two others at the same time :)

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Three years ago, the salesman told me that TV`s could not have built in freeview tuners.
Now the new ones have Freesat. I wonder what he makes of it all……

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Just goes to show how little salespeople know, and how stupid they must feel eventually.

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John Disdle wrote:
I have the HD ready TV, so can I assume that using FOXSAT + I can simultaneously watch one program in HD and record another…..food for thought.

You will need a dual or quad (more readily available) LNB and appropriate downleads.

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Correct. You need a separate head unit for each destination, because the get power from the cable and the polarisation gets switched as well. Quad blocks are pretty well the norm these days, and 8-way are available as well, for under £50. Mine is a quad with 3 cables connected, but adding a 4th would be a doddle.

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Dear Santa ................

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Ah yes!!! I forgot the dish…freeview via an aerial is sooo much simpler.

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Once you have your aerial installed, you will find that the reverse is the case - satellite is far more convenient than terrestrial. These days I watch more Wales and Scotland BBC TV than anything else.

I will not insult Iolo Williams by inviting a comparison between him as a presenter and that pair of twits with whom we shall be cursed when Autumnwatch comes around.

The one downside of digital is the loss of a good Ceefax.

I have been watching Freesat for 18 months now using a GBSat Duet box, which has a 250 GB HDD inside. I suffered 18 months of a crude Thomson Freeview box before that: never again!

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I endorse that about Thomson Freeview boxes, got one and hate it.

But I really like having the regions, BBC ALBA does some superb music stuff, truly wonderful. And, if you want to relive the your youth, the Fight channel is showing old World Of Sport wrestling most days :(

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Just got the call from the shop, stock's in. All I've got to do now is work out how to get my car out. With an automatic, rear-wheel drive, not easy given the amount of ice about.

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I've got the one-off-payment Sky satellite dish to feed Freeview into the house. If I go for Freesat I'll need a new set-top box of course, but will I also have to have a new dish installed or my current one re-positioned?

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Tom,

I think that Freesat transponders are located at 28.5 deg E whereas the Astra ones are at 28.2 deg E. Both of those are within the capture of a normal dish.

Steve

p.s. I could have got the actual bearings a bit wrong but the end result is the same.

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Good news, Alan.

So is the Foxsat box the only PVR with a Freesat tuner at the moment? I've just found reference to a firm called "Metronic" hoping to have one by April, but I've never heard of them before. How about a combined PVR + DVD recorder or even a PVR + BluRay device? IIRC Panasonic make such a thing and sell it in Australia, so is there anything to stop them from adding a Freesat tuner and selling it in the UK too?

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The Oz Panasonic box is about £500 equivalent there, and I don't know of any plans for import, although obviously they will eventually. At present, the Humax 9300 Foxsat is the3 only Freesat PVR on ythe UK market, to the best of my knowledge. If it warms up a bit, I'll get it today.

Freesat is on the Astra cluster at 28.2 and 28.5 East, along with Sky and about a thousand other channels. A dish for one will get the other, no problem. BUT, you'll need a multi block to feed the tuners, I've got a quad and will be using 3 feeds by later today, there are 8-way blocks available now though, but a bit pricey.

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OK, so I managed to get out, and the car coped with the ice (always a problem here, tiny country lane with steep hills in all directions, rear-wheel drive automatic car).

I'm impressed with the box. It was doddle to set up. It does all it says on the tin even though it's obvious that the manual for it is an edited version from a different model (it shows a front panel with controls that belong on a subscription decoder). With HDMI connection to the tele, I can now see the differences between feeding it with 1080i, 720p, 576p, 567i, and I'm impressed. It does the same job as the in-built decoer in my PZ81, clearly making a better job of decoding when feeding out at 1080 than at 576i or p. I haven't really explored 720p output yet, I have no real need to.

Controls are intuitive. I haven't tried a USB device on it yet, but the manual clearly states that it can be used as a programme source, and for archiving. So I think it does all I want. One exceptionally nice feature is that it automatically goes into time-shift mode when powered up (but it does take quite a long time to boot itself). Also, it's nice to have a display of the channel and time on the front. And the info display shows much more about the channel than does the PZ81.

The manual tells how to do timed recording, and it hints that will follow delays accurately. Also, it dsays it will record entire series with on4e command, although, clearly, I've had no time to play with tricks like that yet.

I'm happy :)

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OK alan , where did you actually find one in stock ?

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Alan,

Any info on what the ethernet can be used for? Are there any relevant menu selections?

Steve

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According to the User Manual the ethernet port is 'for future use'...

It is to be hoped that it will eventually allow archiving of recorded material and streaming.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

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Gary, it's a "high street" shop, normal local retailer. "21st Century Electronics" at Burgh Heath on the A217 between Sutton and Reigate. It's a one-man business, a young chap who mends as well as sells. I doubt he'd be much interested in remote selling, but you could try. I'll PM you the details.

The Ethernet connection is fully available in the menus, you can set all the parameters, and it hints that it will scan it for content, but that's not implemented yet. Same goes for the Ethernet connection to my PZ81.

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OK alan , where did you actually find one in stock ?

I don't know what their current availability is but Argos supplied me with one for Xmas.:D :D Ordered on the Friday before, and it arrived on the Monday.

Best of all was that via Voucher Codes ( http://www.vouchercodes.com/electricals.htm ) I got £10 off, and free delivery.

And it works very well. Biggest complaint is the continued existence of the DOG on some HD programming, albeit at fairly low level. But I can't blame Humax for that....

A very nice touch is the "series record" function, which can also be set with variable start and end buffers. It will also automatically organise programmes into folders, a different folder for each series.

I briefly tried connecting a hard drive via the USB socket, which immediately got recognised and it's easy to bring up a "file manager" window to allow transfers between the USB device and internal hard drive. I couldn't seem to be able to copy a HD recording across ("Copy" was greyed out in the menu.) in spite of the manual indicating that could be done. Any thoughts?

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Probably a DRM issue that even the BBC are implementing. Was the programme one of their own or was it provided by an external production company?

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I would expect a HD recording of a film to carry the DRM through, but BBC-produced programmes to be in clear. I've not treid it yet, but will certainly be doing so very soon.

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infocus wrote:

I briefly tried connecting a hard drive via the USB socket, which immediately got recognised and it's easy to bring up a "file manager" window to allow transfers between the USB device and internal hard drive. I couldn't seem to be able to copy a HD recording across ("Copy" was greyed out in the menu.) in spite of the manual indicating that could be done. Any thoughts?

to the best of my knowledge , having been reading many posts elsewhere , you can't easily copy a HD recording to a usb drive.

1. the file sizes are massive
2. you can only copy to fat32 , not NTFS ( although some suggest that you can copy to a linux formatted drive ) and some HD can be copied.
I am still trying to find a dealer with stock by the time i fill in an online purchase form.

Neither of the two local big retailers who should have stock ( Comet and Argos ) are even down to get any stock , according to their computers.

I have been unable to find anywhere in Scotland with stock , and don't want to buy from an unknown source.

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FAT32 would be no surprise, I keep all my portable drives in FATw2 so that I can use them on Macs. I'll be having a play this afternoon.

OK, so I've had a play. With a LaCie 40G FAT32 drive, I can copy stills both ways, but I can't copy video recordings from the Humax, haven't bothered trying the other way yet. The manual says I can copy from it (video p 59, music p 62, photos p 64) but the green "copy" button is greyed out for video at least. Hmmm.

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"Biggest complaint is the continued existence of the DOG on some HD programming"

What's the rules on that? I noticed the other night something on BBC-HD, pretty sure it was a movie, and there was no DOG at all.

Could they sometimes be using direct streams of previously encoded mateial (the DOG would mean re-encoding?)

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I've seen these boxes for sale in 'Richer Sounds'.

My HD Satellite box doesn't have an internal HDD. However, it does have a USB port to connect an external HDD for recording programs. I haven't used this function yet, however, when I do, I would have 2 hard drives, one for archiving and the other as a general recording device.

With regards the Humax, I suppose you'd have to use the internal drive as the archive. Is the internal drive in the Humax removable/upgradeable?

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HD DoGs. There were lots of complaints about nit early on, including from me. The amplitufe of them was then dropped (more transparent) and then tyhey went away altogether for a while. They're back now though, and I think they're there on BBC material but not on stuff that's bought in, like films. The best way to find out is to go to Digital Spy or the BBC blogs and poke about, Andy Quested's usually the best source of info.

I guess the drive's removable, but it means dismantling the box. The menu does have an option to format the drive, so they expect drive changes.

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Surely if you've gone out and spent tens of thousands of pounds on a plasma, for it to be ruined by DoGs, you'd be able to sue the broadcast company? It's basically negligence on their part, especially those that display them at full amplitude!!

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There are very few who spend tens of thousands on a plasma, you'd have to go up to the really big ones, say 108" before you get even close to that sort of price. And the recent plasmas are far less prone to image burn-in than the older ones are. Nevertheless, I still find DoGs a pain in the backside and would far prefer all transmissions to be free of them.

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Sorry, I did exaggerate that a little bit (Like a slap in the face!).

With regards screen burn…Even though plasmas are less prone to it, now a days, if you were to expose a screen to 2 hours of full amplitude DoG I’m sure even the best would burn. Orbital screensavers are an annoyance, I switch mine off.

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delphiplasma wrote:
Surely if you've gone out and spent tens of thousands of pounds on a plasma, for it to be ruined by DoGs, you'd be able to sue the broadcast company? It's basically negligence on their part, especially those that display them at full amplitude!!

Not really, they could (quite rightly) argue that you had a choice to watch their channel or not so it was your own fault. Also, the BBC at least has warned people of the danger of plasma burn from static images.

Steven

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Alan, be interested when you've done some tests to know what the trick play is like and the accuracy of recording start and finish times, also how does the guide on the Humax compare to the rather sparse Panasonic Freesat Guide? Does it have PIP as you browse it (like Humax Freeview PVRs?)

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Haven't found a PiP yet, the PZ's approach is very nice. It allows start/end handles on recordings, you can set the extent.

I've found out how to get the front flap open, it was very stiff and I couldn't believe I was intended to apply that much force to it, but ok now. I still haven't found out how to get video files in/out.

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I have one ....... Euronics are also selling them ..... not that the Humax site hints at that.
Mine gets deliverred later today :-)

UPDATE: orderred @ 09.05 , deliverred @ 11.25 ..... thats what i call service :-)

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Let us know if you manage to get video files off it onto a USB device. I'm stuck. With a 2G stick I can't get more than the descriptor files, and I've tried FAT and FAT32 so far. I've also tried a LaCie 40G mini drive, same results.

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There's a thread on Hummy.org, that I've just started reading, that talks about a different filing system. Link: http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5167

EDIT

I've read that now, some useful info. Now reading this: http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5236 - afraid not looking good for HD

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Let us know if you manage to get video files off it onto a USB device. I'm stuck.

I will ...... i saw a thread somewhere during xmas holidays with instructions :)

UPDATE : Start Here @ http://foxsat-hdr.wikispaces.com/

and here @ http://foxsat-hdr.wikispaces.com/The+HDR+FAQ

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From harlequins first link:

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Q. Is it true I can NOT transfer HD recordings to my external hard disk?
A. Yes. Broadcast copyright prohibits this. Programmes that can not be transfer to an external device are indicated by a disc symbol with a cross next to it.

Q. How do I transfer recordings to my external hard disk or USB stick?
A. Connect the external drive or USB stick to one of the USB ports. If it is a valid format, no messages should coming up telling you to format it, but that a USB device has been connected. When in the Media list, pressing the Opt+ button will bring up a plate with left and right panes. The right shows the USB device, and the left shows the internal drive. Move the cursor to the right pane and select the item marked sdaX*. Pressing OK will take you into the device and the HDR will show you a list of recordings already there. If there are none, it will be empty. Back to the left hand pane, select the recording (or rmultiple recordings, using the Edit Mode, press the Yellow button and press OK to tick items) you wish to transfer. If the HDR recognise it can transfer the recording(s) to the destination on the right pane, it will show the Green button 'Copy' function. Press Green to transfer the recording(s). [*X being a number, 0 , 1, or 2]

So bad news about the HD recordings. Though I wonder when the first hack or work around will be found?

I've now managed to copy SD recordings quite happily to an external hardrive via USB. Though I do find that I need to go across to the right hand side, select a folder, then back to the left before the green copy lights up.

Only thing I do find missing is a rough "edit" function, such as my Panasonic harddrive/DVD recorder has for trimming beginnings and ends etc.

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Hmmm, the instructions there are exactly what I've been doing. I can get the htm descriptor file and nothing else. Plus, the "Copying" dialog box stays on-screen after it's apparently completed the copy. The last attempt (to transfer a file only 2 minutes long) left this on screen for over an hour, and the only control that worked was to turn power off manually, i.e. it had crashed.

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There's a thread on Hummy.org, that I've just started reading, that talks about a different filing system. Link: http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5167

EDIT

I've read that now, some useful info. Now reading this: http://www.hummy.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5236 - afraid not looking good for HD

It looks like Linux is required and the USB drive has to be EXT2 or EXT3 formatted. Not sure if any of this makes any sense in WinXP, I've never heard of EXT2/3 formats. Not looking good at all.

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Curiouser and curiouser.

I've just tried again with a LaCie 40G mini drive, FAT 32, and it works. Only for SD, obviously. Now, for each "file" I've got:-

file_20090107_xxxx.hmt
file_20090107_xxxx.nts
file_20090107_xxxx.ts

where xxx is a 4 digit number. The hmt files are 5k, and contain html code for the info panel, the ts file is clearly the transport stream (because it's big), and the nts file is something else approximately 0.15% of the ts file. How do we deal with these?

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...... and the nts file is something else approximately 0.15% of the ts file. How do we deal with these?

A pure guess, but could it be to do with navigation aspects when the file gets played back by the box? It sets default chapters, thumbnails, and things like "last played position" - maybe the nts file is where these are stored?

So if you just want pure video you could delete the first two files?

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Reading the manual very precsiely, it says that video files can be copied in/out "for archiving", implying that this is just a means of storage and is not intended for use outside the box. So, I guess ythast the ts file is a straghtforwar5d MPEG2 file, the hmt is the descriptor (the on-screen banner) and nthe nts file holds chapter and other data.

Next step is to try getting the ts file into Edius and see what happens.

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I believe , please don't quote me , that if you use the ''non-freesat'' channels you may , repeat may , find that the files recorded from their version of BBC HD can be copied to HDD

There was certainly a forum post elsewhere , need to fire up laptop i was using over xmas and see if my ''cache'' has the webpage in it.

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I did think that the whole DRM issue was not to say that HD files/outputs can't be copied, period, but to give the broadcaster the right to prohibit further copying IF DESIRED. So an anti-copy flag may well be set for a feature film, but not general programming.

Prohibiting ANY HD copying seems very draconian.

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Alan,

The 'ext2' & 'ext3' formats are indeed native to Linux operating systems but they can be read by a free application 'extfs. This can be downloded from:

http://www.fs-driver.org/

If you format an external USB drive with ext2 or 3, you may be able to transfer the files to the USB drive. Then connect it to a Windows PC with ext2fs installed, and the drive's contents will appear in Windows Explorer or My Computer.

Steve

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first program ( SD ) recorded , copied to fat32 pendrive , copied onto pc , editted using videoredo tv suite ( adverts removed )

35mins of itv1 = approx 900meg 544x576 acording to most stream info programs.

plays nicely on pc

next trick is BBC HD from both ''freesat'' and from ''non-freesat''

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Steve, I wasn't even considering trying to format in Ext 2 or 3, just commenting non the chatter about it elsewhere. If it or Linux had been needed, surely Humax would have said so. FAT32 works. I really don't understand all the commotion about Ext2/3.

I set series recording last night, to grab Hustle in HD. And simultaneously recorded it in SD, all while watching something else on Freesat. Lovely.

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Alan Roberts wrote:
Steve, I wasn't even considering trying to format in Ext 2 or 3, just commenting non the chatter about it elsewhere. If it or Linux had been needed, surely Humax would have said so. FAT32 works. I really don't understand all the commotion about Ext2/3.

I set series recording last night, to grab Hustle in HD. And simultaneously recorded it in SD, all while watching something else on Freesat. Lovely.

if you cap ''hustle'' in HD ..... you CANNOT back it up to a usb device which is formatted FAT32
that is why they are all saying ext2/ext3 is the format of choice.

If you format a pendrive NTFS and insert into HUMAX , read the message it gives you ;)

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Yes, I know, that's what the manual says, and it's what happens. If you record HD in the Humax, there's no way of getting it out of the box.

Reading the chatter about it, I didn't understand much, what with Linux and Ext2/3 dropping into the texts, neither of which mean much to me.

Incidentally, I've just done a non-freesat tuning, and the BBCHD channel appears and doesn't show Enc when recorded, so I guess I can copy it off the machine, just finding out about that now.

P.S. Bingo, that works :)

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The Linux Ext3 thing is just mentioned as a way round the 4 Gigabyte limit that is the maximum size of a single file on FAT32.

Be great if future Humax firmware introduces support for NTFS, otherwise the only way to copy a large HD file to an external disc is if that disc is formatted the Linux way

Does the nonFS version of BBC HD appear in the Humax guide? I'm guessing it doesn't but you'd be able to program the Humax to timer record stuff manually by setting start and end time?

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Yes Chris, that's right. The BBC HD channel, (and the Luxe German HD channel) appeared when I did a "non-freesat" tuning, so they appear in the separate listings. The non-freedsat epg works with them, and timing seems to work as well.

And now I understand the fuss about Linux and Ext2/3.

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And my point about Ext2fs, the free plug-in for Windows was that can still be managed easily as the app allows the Ext2 or 3 drive to be read and written to by Windows Explorer just like it was formatted in NTFS.

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Can it format as well? If so, I'll be trying it soon.

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Alan,

I'm not sure if the app. itself (which is actually called 'ext2fsd') can format a drive from scratch, as it is really an add-on to enable explorer to read the Ext formats, but there are a couple of routes to achieve the goal suggested on the web:

1) this article gives some ideas on how to do it but it doesn't look like a seamless operation:

http://www.aeonity.com/frost/converting-from-windows-linux-hard-drives-ntfs-ext3

This page may offer a suitable free partitioning programme if you haven't got access to partition magic 8:

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php

2) An alternative would to be to run one of the 'live' Linux distributions on a PC with an external USB drive connected. This would then set the drive up as an Ext2 or Ext3 drive which could then be disconnected and transferred to the Humax's USB port.

I think that Harlequin may have some better ideas.

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Thanks Steve. I think Gary's in the best position to find a way, and knowing him, he will :)

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he is still working on this.
the sd , sub 2 hours , is easy to copy to a fat32 drive.
hd , i cannot copy , never mind file size , due to a ''fixed'' setting in the streams again.
i am trying to find easiest way to format the pendrive as ext3 , as soon as i do , i'll post the answer

Ok heres where i am now

1. get hold of a livecd , i used UBUNTU 7

fire it up , by inserting cd in cd drive , and booting system from that
when desktop appears choose ''system'' from top bar
select administration
select partition manager
GPARTED should fire up , and start scanning all drives
on rhs of screen is a drive selector button
on my pc , the pendrive is /dev/sdc ( 7.53GB )

right click on the drive , and select ''format to'' then ''ext2'' or ''ext3''
i used ext3 ( i won't again , use ext2 )

then apply .... and it will format the drive

NEXT

remove from pc , and insert into humax pvr.

on remote press ''media''
select folder with the tv program you want.
that should show you the file
press opt+
select ''file manager''
move to usb1:/sda1> folder and open it , then return to hdd:/video/showname>
select file on LHS by pressing ok ( or press green button )
file starts copying to USB device.

presently trying with a 1 hour ''lark rise'' episode.

will update info later

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Gary, did you know that the BBC HD stream is available outside Freesat? And that it's not protected? All you need to do is to go:

Menu > Settings > ST Mode > Non-freesat

You then have to go through the tuning ritual, choose "All" satellites and weed out the dross. Incidentally, in this mode, you can set a filter to select only HD channels, and they're all in-clear.

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Alan Roberts wrote:
Gary, did you know that the BBC HD stream is available outside Freesat? And that it's not protected? All you need to do is to go:

Menu > Settings > ST Mode > Non-freesat

You then have to go through the tuning ritual, choose "All" satellites and weed out the dross. Incidentally, in this mode, you can set a filter to select only HD channels, and they're all in-clear.

they are in the clear SOMETIMES
i tried with one show , and even in non-freesat .... it wasn't in the clear .....
i need to check which channels , because some are on more than one in non-freesat mode.

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I'd expect films to be protected, but not BBC productions. So far, I've seen only 'BBC-Films' films in HD.

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Slightly OT, but I discovered LUXE from this thread. The picture is fabulous, better than a lot of ITV HD and BBC HD stuff.

Any idea on the tech specs, bandwidth / bitrate?

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It's a channel run by Friedl Luxe, who supplied the HD kit when NHK covered No.1 Court at Wimbledon in the early 90s (1920x1035/59.94). We (BBC R&D) were covering Centre Court in Eureka format (1920x1152/50i, actually 1440x1152, but let's not get too pedantic yet).

Every year, two trucks would turn up from Berlin, with very light kit (ours was huge and heavy, but fully digital uncompressed recording) and we swapped pictures and beer in the broadcast compound. At that time Luixe was a small company, subsidised by NHK; it's grown a lot since then, and now makes small cameras (from standard bits) and all sorts of stuff. But this is the first time I've seen his broadcast channel. It seems to be a compilation of whatever he can get his hands on (multi-lingual), rather than aimed at any national market. And the pictures are good.

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The Luxe channel seems to mainly record a lot of outdoor scenes. Very easy to obtain better PQ without worrying about lighting etc...Think it might be due to the locations always being nice and sunny. That good feeling factor takes place in your brain and thoughts such as ahhhh... would spring to mind.

ITV HD and BBC HD output, however, seem to me to be just as good as the Luxe channel? Not sure why people aren't happy with the HD delivery? It's nice to get that CRT experience again on nice flat screen plasma.

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Interesting Alan, thanks.

Delphi, I'm not unhappy with BBC HD (am a bit underwhelmed by ITV HD).

I take your point about sunshine and good times (if EastEnders went HD it would be the complete opposite :) )

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Chris, that's not an "if", it's a "when": EE will go HD within 12 months. I've done HD tests for them 3 times now, and the fourth one will happen when we can get a camera to Kingswood.

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Alan Roberts wrote:
Chris, that's not an "if", it's a "when": EE will go HD within 12 months. I've done HD tests for them 3 times now, and the fourth one will happen when we can get a camera to Kingswood.

Do you know if they'll be using R&D's Ingex (IT-based multichannel direct to HDD recorder) to record the stuff in HD (As I believe they do at the moment in SD)?

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No info yet. The problem is that the SD cameras they currently use are very old and expensive to maintain. The move to HD is inevitable, economics are dictating the move rather than anything else. To the best of my knowledge, nothing is decided yet.

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Is it true that there's often resistance to HD from some of the cast of a production moving to HD? Is it just a myth? I'm thinking "warts and all".

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I think it's a myth. Initially there were a few problems with costume/makeup/set design, but that quickly went away when the results got onto screen, the pictures look like the scene. In drama, makeup is now done a little more carefully, and powder is on its way out as a result. But generally, there's no problem.

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You guys have had your Humax Foxsat PVRs for quite a while now. Has anything changed from initial impressions? Has there been any firmware updates from Humax yet?

While contemplating purchasing I was reading customer reviews on Comet's website someone said you can only record one HD channel at a time (is that true? Not much of a problem at the minute but in future it could be).

Someone else said you couldn't watch a pre-recorded programme if you were recording others at the same time. (You can on many of the Humax Freeview PVRs) I used to do that quite often - is that the case with the Foxsat?

Sorry for so many questions :)

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Now the new ones have Freesat. I wonder what he makes of it all……

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A Sky salesman appeared at my sister's front door a few months back and told her that her Humax Freeview PVR 9200 wouldn't work after the digital switchover. I was absolutely fuming.

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You guys have had your Humax Foxsat PVRs for quite a while now. Has anything changed from initial impressions? Has there been any firmware updates from Humax yet?

YES ...... i find it even better every time i try to do something else with it :)

Chris Longley wrote:
While contemplating purchasing I was reading customer reviews on Comet's website someone said you can only record one HD channel at a time (is that true? Not much of a problem at the minute but in future it could be).

Not sure .... i tend to only record BBC HD as others require trickery for any scottish inhabitant. ( ITV HD is not available to STV viewers )

Chris Longley wrote:
Someone else said you couldn't watch a pre-recorded programme if you were recording others at the same time. (You can on many of the Humax Freeview PVRs) I used to do that quite often - is that the case with the Foxsat?

You can watch one while recording one.
You can watch one while recording two ( though i have not tried that ) UPDATE: that too works

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Sorry for so many questions :)

ask as many as you want , i'll try to answer those i can

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Chris Longley wrote:
You guys have had your Humax Foxsat PVRs for quite a while now. Has anything changed from initial impressions?

By and large, it just seems to work as advertised. (Where's the wood....?)

Picture quality on a full HD 42" Panasonic plasma is a big step up compared to Freeview, no two ways about it. Sharper, obviously, but with far less artifacting.

If I've any complaint it's about the DOG that the BBC seems to be in love with. After a load of public complaints (and hiccups) they finally seem to be keeping to their promise of not showing it on drama or films, but it seems stuck there on all the rest of the stuff. Which during a simulcast leaves me with the choice of DOGged HD or captionless SD.

That's the only negative I can think of to say - the hardware seems good, and by and large BBC HD is pretty good as well apart from the DOG. I only wonder what will happen as more and more BBC programming becomes made in HD, BBC HD2?

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HD BBC copying to a pendrive.

I have found the way to do this.

1. switch to non-freeview mode
2. select BBC hd channel ( channel 5108 or 5109 )
3. put freesat into standby mode
4. count to 30
5. take freesat+ out of standby
6. record the show you want
7. that should now be a non-copyguarded show.

the problem is getting a greater than 4GB file off the system.
i have managed to use ext2 and ext3 , but ext3 was a nightmare.
you could try splitting the files into chunks on the freesat+ , which is what i will attempt next.

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Mine does all it says it does. Last night we watched one HD recording while recording another.

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Having had a quick scamper through this thread, I feel that the Humax may be the ideal unit for what I am after. I have had the Sky+ HD box since they came out, and watch HD for the sport (Wimb on the beeb) and now some of the Sky sports stuff as well, and of course Lark Rise etc on the BBC as well. I had the Thomson box initially, this went ga ga at christmas, and they replaced it with a new Amstrad box which doesn't seem to have the fan problems etc of the Thompson.
We also have a house on a fairly remote Scottish island on the West coast, beautiful but suffering from a virtually complete lack of analogue radio or TV.
Our answer has been to get an original Sky box with a dish, which is fine but I would like to get the BBC HD service and also the radio stations on freeview.

My questions are as follows..
Will my existing dish do the job (although I'll probably get a new LNB as my existing one only has a single output or do I need a larger dish
Does freeview give me all the ITV channels including ITV HD (Gary seemed to indicate that there is a problem in Scotland).
It would seem that everyone is pleased with the Humax, and the recording facility would be great, just like a bit of clarification prior to purchase!
Thanks, all.
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Your existing dish will be fine, but it would make sense to get a quad lnb. The Humax can use 2 feeds.

Freesat (not Freeview) gives all the ITV channels, including HD when the occasionally do something in HD. Channel 4 HD is not in Freesat yet, but I suspect they're waiting until their contract period with Sky expires, Freesat gets all the channel 4 extras.

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Thank you Alan, very prompt and helpful as usual, sorry slip of the finger re the freesat!
My comment re ITV HD was prompted by something Gary said a few posts ago re not being available
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Not sure .... i tend to only record BBC HD as others require trickery for any scottish inhabitant. ( ITV HD is not available to STV viewers )
:end quote
perhaps he'll comment.
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Quote:
My questions are as follows..
Will my existing dish do the job (although I'll probably get a new LNB as my existing one only has a single output or do I need a larger dish
Does freeview give me all the ITV channels including ITV HD (Gary seemed to indicate that there is a problem in Scotland).
It would seem that everyone is pleased with the Humax, and the recording facility would be great, just like a bit of clarification prior to purchase!
Thanks, all.
George

1. yes , i presently have 2 feeds to humax freesat+ and a third to the sky box , and one spare from my quad LNB

2. quad LNB will not cost too much , and extra wiring isn't too hard ... find a friendly sky installer

3. The trick is to set your Humax+ to a post code in london.
if you don't you will need to find an ITV channel other than STV to get ITV HD as an option. ( Channel 997 )

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Ah, the post code's the key then!......so I can't get STV on the Humax if I want ITV HD or is there another work around?
Think I'll manage the LNB wiring ok, thanks, Gary,

George

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you can set to your home postcode , get STV on channel 103 , and switch to 997 for itv hd.
just means a few extra key presses.

p.s. this was a decision by STV , to save money , this from the people who now control all of Scotlands ITV areas and paid allegedly 30,000 for the STV franchise.
They paid more , or the original Grampian TV paid more , for the Grampian franchise.

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OK, thanks, will get one ordered, and keep the info on file.
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Humax seem to have a good name and I don't need the recording facility, so is the Foxsat HD the box I need chaps?

http://www.humaxdigital.com/uk/products/product_stb_satellite_foxsathd.asp

And a good place to buy it is?

tom.

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tom , i say yes.
the humax ( non pvr ) is great , BUT , only one tuner.
my parents have mine.
i have the pvr.
i bought mine from a Euronics dealer ( pvr ) and non-pvr from comet.

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ITV HD doesn't exist as a channel. It's a"back channel". When they start transmitting something in HD, you get a "press the red buttojn to see it in HD" prompt, prss the button and a big black square blots out what you're watching for up to 15 seconds while it goes out looking for the HD content. It's really infuriating that it happens twice if you're watching something that spans the news.

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Alan , agreed , it isn't a separate channel , BUT , if you have grampian / stv as ITV1 , you never get the RED DOT
However , if you change to 997 ( ITV1 London ) and any HD material is available , you get the RED DOT.

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Thanks for the replies to my questions. All seems good. Humax living up to their reputation for solid products. It's amazing that they're first with this stuff ahead of Philips, Panasonic, Sony etc who should hang their heads in shame

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Thanks for the replies to my questions. All seems good. Humax living up to their reputation for solid products. It's amazing that they're first with this stuff ahead of Philips, Panasonic, Sony etc who should hang their heads in shame

I think that is more down to Freesat being a UK only service with its own idiosyncrasies that a relatively small company like Humax see as part of their market, whereas the international blue-chip companies would see the market as being too restricted. When (if) Freesat catches on, I'm sure that we will see the big boys join in.

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I think that is more down to Freesat being a UK only service with its own idiosyncrasies that a relatively small company like Humax see as part of their market, whereas the international blue-chip companies would see the market as being too restricted. When (if) Freesat catches on, I'm sure that we will see the big boys join in.

Steve

The big boys are involved.
Panasonic are making integrated flat screens and freesat tuners.

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Its true that they are making integrated Freesat TVs, which are probably anglicised versions of international designs, (e.g. sattelite tuner TVs have been available in the US for years), but PVRs seems to be a more limited market at the moment. They are of course a major part of Humax's business so they had to capture some of the market. As far as the large companies are concerned, I doubt that the possible revenue from Freesat development figures much in their survival plans.

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steve wrote:
Its true that they are making integrated Freesat TVs, which are probably anglicised versions of international designs, (e.g. sattelite tuner TVs have been available in the US for years), but PVRs seems to be a more limited market at the moment. They are of course a major part of Humax's business so they had to capture some of the market. As far as the large companies are concerned, I doubt that the possible revenue from Freesat development figures much in their survival plans.

I don't think it does in Humax's either -- they've been selling sat boxes in the UK for years, long before Sky Digital was launched iirc. Indeed, their freesat pvr is designed as much for the international market too -- just different firmware and logos on the box.

Panasonic and Sony however don't really do PVRs, they do integrated HDD and DVD recorder devices and Panasonic have launched a HD capable HDD/bluray recorder elsewhere (from DVB-T I believe) so I wouldn't be surprised if a Freesat version appeared at some point (although with the BBC enabling copy-protection on the Freesat transmissions I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't that much use...)

Steven

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It's just odd that pioneers of home video recording like Sony, Philips and Panasonic have made so little impression with Hard Disk PVR.

I can imagine Panasonic and Sony dealers having to carry Humax equipment in order to offer sophisticated recorders to their loyal customers.

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Panasonics is due for release next month.

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John Disdle wrote:
Three years ago, the salesman told me that TV`s could not have built in freeview tuners.
Now the new ones have Freesat. I wonder what he makes of it all……

That must have been the same salesman who sold me an endowment in 1990 who promised it would pay my mortgage off next year with money to spare.

Studio with green screen for hire near Gatwick Airport.
Kit hire facilities on site.
excelsiorstudios.co.uk

harlequin
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Gary MacKenzie

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Thinkserver TS140 , 750ti Graphics card  & LG 27" uws led backlight , Edius 8

Humax Foxsat HD Pvr / Humax Fox T2 dvbt

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Be a while before Asda have them for £25 :D

Bob Aldis