I've just read 'Digital Video' magazine

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tom hardwick
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I've just read the July 07 issue of Digital Video Movie Maker magazine, and I am just lost for words. The editor should hang his head in shame about some of the tosh and piffle he's allowed through to the printed page.

Why anyone would write to that magazine rather than asking questions here on this forum beats the pants off me. I know the camcorder tests are short but that doesn't excuse the wishy-washy words. I know the Q & A pages are staffed by boys, but it wouldn't hurt them to get off their backsides every once in a while and ask someone who knows.

Dreadful, just dreadful. Still - they probably all make more money than me, so maybe I'm in the wrong, right?

tom.

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Maybe we should tell the Digital Movie Maker Magazine readers to join our forum (we put an advert in the mag - probably will put the mag out of business) or we get the mag to join us here as a "sponsoring partner" Good idea or what;)

Maxwell
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Any idea is good. Never been a lover of amateur video experts. The whole system of Video Magazines has decline.
Its all repeat,repeat,.

Alan Roberts
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Be careful sunbeam, you're talking to an eclectic mixture of newbies, amateurs, professionals, and highly qualified experts. The only problem is you can never be absolutely certain which is which :)

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tom hardwick wrote:
I've just read the July 07 issue of Digital Video Movie Maker magazine, and I am just lost for words. The editor should hang his head in shame about some of the tosh and piffle he's allowed through to the printed page.

Why anyone would write to that magazine rather than asking questions here on this forum beats the pants off me. I know the camcorder tests are short but that doesn't excuse the wishy-washy words. I know the Q & A pages are staffed by boys, but it wouldn't hurt them to get off their backsides every once in a while and ask someone who knows.

Dreadful, just dreadful. Still - they probably all make more money than me, so maybe I'm in the wrong, right?

tom.

Totally agree, Tom. There used to be an expert in the past, Terry James, who could answer everything that was thrown at him. He had his own business and had first hand knowledge. Probably cost cutting paid him off and now we see questions being published, which I consider to be chosen for their simplicity to answer. Very seldom there are any technical problems appearing. Sent an email to the editor complaining about the dumbing down of the content some time ago. Received a return agreeing with me but blaming the company and asking me not to say anything as the job was at stake. Now no longer employed there!

Bring back CV

Harry

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All the more reason why we must keep this board going, and why we shouldn't overlook the generosity of the Hexus people for keeping it available.

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What gets me about these publications is that they publish the same articles time & time again, and still have to b***s to charge people £5.99 per issue. I bought a few when I started out, but soon stopped as I don't seem to have more money than sense.

That new Practical Digital Video seems a bit more worthy, but only time will tell.......

WIRED - HAVEYOUBEENWIRED.COM & also a blatant cheap promotional link. :D

rstirk
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It was a sad day...

... when Computer Video ceased.

I had a subscription to Computer Video and What Camcorder. Over recent years they merged into Digital Video, which I transferred my subscription to. However, I recently cancelled that subscription as I found the content repetitive, with lots of tpying errors, and generally not meaty & detailed enough for me. It's a shame because the sister magazine, Digital Camera, is very informative with lots of detailed articles.

Unless anyone knows otherwise I don't think there are any Video related printed magazines to touch Computer Video...?

Richard

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Since the format of film stopped for the amateur and video became the bees knees. Two video magazines hit the shelf at £5.99 and it is the same old thing just revamped. No more amateur club information or a yearly video festival on all category. just the 60 second extravaganza. Big Deal.
I could say more. But there is no point. If the make £5.99 do you rock the boat??????

ChrisH
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Comupter Video Magazine, i remember eagerly awaiting the next issue for that reveiw of the new beige G3 then pouring over every word. Then that classic cover.. the arrival of the VX2000 from outspace, sent by the almighty himself. Don't know what I would have done without Bob Crabtree and his excellent team.

Now I don't know what I would do without this forum. Struggle I guess.

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Couldn't agree more. Our library still purchases the mag. I simply don't bother with it any more. One quick look and I quickly come to the conclusion that it is tosh!!!!

What's to become of us.... What is to become of us?

tom hardwick
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Then I think you should do your library a good turn and suggest they cancel their subscription.

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Guys, we'd all struggle without this forum, me no less than anyone else, it's my lifeline to you lot.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Maxwell
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Could do with a Final Cut Pro magazine, plus info on people and video clubs. Like the use to do with "Movie Maker".
O.K i'm going back in time, but we got good constructive information and people used to test the equipment which came on the market.
The reports were true and bad regardless of the company.
Take Cannon. Very bad at after sale service regards if anything goes wrong.

tom hardwick
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There is a glossy video mag that tells you all the news from the video clubs up and down the country, Maxwell. It's called Film and Video Maker, and is sent out free to members. My articles appear in every issue, but don't let that deter you from joining. :)
Go here for a look-see:
http://www.theiac.org.uk/

You say Cannon have poor after sales service? They sell cookers, don't they?

tom.

Alan Craven
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tom hardwick wrote:
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You say Cannon have poor after sales service? They sell cookers, don't they?

tom.

That Cannon are very poor too! I asked for a brochure from their web site 4 months ago. They still are not able to deliver one!

Canon have just taken 4 weeks to produce a new transport for my 1 year old XM2. I hope they do not try tell me that it is now out of warranty.

Maxwell
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The IAC over the years the have gone downhill. Sorry to say they are not in touch with the whole art of video making. Just money.
Saying that, they were o.k in the days of cine film.

tom hardwick
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I find that a very odd thing to say about the IAC. Their international movie competition this year produced some astonishingly good films, and of course they were all digital. I'm 'in touch with the whole art of video making' (well, sort of) and they publish me in every issue. If the IAC was about money as you suggest, they'd pay me.

tom.

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Yes Tom, Canon sell cameras and lenses, Cannon sell cookers :)

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Wicked
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They should both be done by trading standards - neither of them sell cannons......

Ian thomas
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Yes i agree that the mag has gone down hill, a few years ago when camcorder user was going strong i could'nt wait for it to come out each month, then it changed to what digital camcorder (which i won a wildlife film competition and the prize a new XM2 and a day filming at slimbridge with Doug Allan, planet earth camera man) which was ok but since then they have really hit rock bottom

Maxwell
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Hi Tom.
I started with the IAC in the late 60s. When it was a must to be a member under the banner of "Amateur". They were a great help in all aspect of film making. Note the word FILM MAKING.
Today there is no mention in any Video Magazine of them or what they stand for. Many companies financed the IAC with competitions to help and promote individuals film and for people to get into the media. Today it still functions on a different bases, but the attention of promoting has gone, unless you know about it.
Sorry for being so negative. But that is only my opinion. If I mention the word to want to be video makers about the IAC. "Who Are They"?

Alan Craven
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Wicked wrote:
They should both be done by trading standards - neither of them sell cannons......

Maybe not, but I in the past I did receive a load of balls from Canon about a problem with my previous XM1.

tom hardwick
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I geddit, I geddit!

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H & M Video wrote:
Totally agree, Tom. There used to be an expert in the past, Terry James, who could answer everything that was thrown at him. He had his own business and had first hand knowledge. Probably cost cutting paid him off and now we see questions being published, which I consider to be chosen for their simplicity to answer. Very seldom there are any technical problems appearing. Sent an email to the editor complaining about the dumbing down of the content some time ago. Received a return agreeing with me but blaming the company and asking me not to say anything as the job was at stake. Now no longer employed there!

Bring back CV

Harry

Um, to the best of my knowledge there never was a Terry James. The picture that appeared on his columns was of Steve Chamberlain, a designer at WV/Highbury, and the replies were penned by someone on the mag or, more likely, Rick Maybury.

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"Um, to the best of my knowledge there never was a Terry James. The picture that appeared on his columns was of Steve Chamberlain, a designer at WV/Highbury, and the replies were penned by someone on the mag or, more likely, Rick Maybury."

Now I am confused. A young disabled lad had contacted the mag. re the difficulty of buying video gear. I offered, through the mag.and "Terry James", to give him an ISA video board - Movie Machine - (yes it was that long ago) and received a phone call from the above mag. expert. Unfortunately the young lad was not interested in the MM board, so I still have it. Was this a non-de-plume?

Harry :confused:

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The situation was exactly as I described it. But as for who called you saying he was Terry James, I don't know, presumably one of the mag's editorial bods - or maybe someone on the ads side was talked into it on account of readers being unlikely to speak to them directly.

Bob

Maxwell
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Just curious, after we have put in our dislike about these magazine. Have the publishers taken any notice?
The 2 video magazine we have on the shelf just repeat the same format in a different style. So i guess for £5.99 and a few free disks, there is not much point in rocking the boat. i will say at times they do try hard to cover certain articles in a professional way. Would be nice to have some feedback from the people who write in these magazines.
The reviews on software or camcorders NEVER covers any articles on the subject, what can go wrong. They just got to read this forum and see what problem people experiencing.
The Mac Format magazine are getting there. But i think £5.99 is a heavy price to pay every month. Good job we got internet forums.

tom hardwick
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I've just read a group test of Camcorders in the October 2007 issue of Mobile Computer. Here's a couple of paragraphs. ''You gave up on your cassette tape Walkman years ago, so why fumble about with digital video tapes? The main advantage of hard disks, DVDs and memory cards over tape is that you won't ever need to fast-forward and rewind, which eliminates the risk of accidentally recording over existing footage..

''You pay more for a hard-disk or DVD-based camera compared to a Mini DV one, but we hope you agree that the features and quality on offer make it worth the expense.''

Then they go on to 'test' a Sony, Panasonic, JVC, Hitachi, Canon (9 in all). Not a word of warning about editing (except with your pinky on the side-screen). And when did you last 'accidentally erase' your Mini DV tape?

You can see it's written by 22 year old lads with not much clue. Why do we use Mini DV? because they cost just over a pound (less than a third the cost of an M & S sandwich) and yet hold 13 gb of HiDef footage. Beat that, HDD or Mini DVD.

tom.

Maxwell
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Hi Tom.
My question is do any of them read what is written on this forum?.

tom hardwick
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I don't think they'd understand the words we use :)

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Problems in publications are industry-wide, though. I've got a recent copy of High-Definition mag that has serious errors in it's list of cameras/camcorders, errors that could have been eliminated simply by reading the outline spec of the cameras.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Maxwell
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What are the views on the Mac Format and iCreate magazines?
I get the iCreate. It used to be published every 3 months, but now that it gets released every month a pattern is emerging, unless APPLE brings out a new software, it struggles with what to print.
In general I'm pleased with the outlay and contents.

Maxwell
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For the past couple of weeks i have noticed WH SMITH are not stocking any Video Magazines. Have they died????????

John Disdle
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It`s the same here in Norwich. Digital Video was ok for passing the time, but bring back CV.

Arthur.S
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rstirk wrote:
I recently cancelled that subscription as I found the content repetitive, with lots of tpying errors, and

I just love that. :) Sorry...I had my printers hat on. :o