HD Video Editing: Will this PC hardware work?

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SteveV
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Hi everyone,

I work for a special needs school and we're looking to add the capability to shoot and produce our own training videos and seminars. Most of the content will be shot indoors, in a room full of teaching staff in a lecture type of environment. We'll be using a consumer grade HD Video Camera (Panasonic HDC-TM90K) and editing using Abobe CS 5.5.

I'm an IT guy by trade and will be building the Windows box. I'm thinking of the following components:

  • Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
  • ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
  • CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
  • CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified
  • (2) HITACHI Deskstar H3IK30003272SW (0S03208) 3TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives in a RAID0 config
  • (1) Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
  • LG Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 10X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Super Multi WH12LS30
  • LIAN LI PC-A71F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

I'm struggling with Graphics card selection. I'm considering an nVidia Quadro 2000 but it represents approx 25% of the total hardware cost. Do I REALLY need a Quadro and is this the right one to buy given my "keep it under $2000 target"?

Also, we have some older DV content that needs to be imported. Any recommendations on a good quality but reasonably inexpensive FireWire capture card that will work well with CS 5.5?

Any comments/suggestions/improvements on the proposed hardware would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

Mark M
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That all looks good. No you don't need a Quadro: a GTX470/570/480/580 will serve just as well. You probably don't need to go for the RAID 0 either. There are better ways of setting up your HDDs for optimum Premiere use. I suggest you have a good read of the FAQs in the Adobe Hardware Forum, and at some of the postings there which discuss Graphics Cards and HDD setup.
http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere/hardware_forum
Also this site has some info on "best bang for buck"
http://ppbm5.com/index.html

HTH

Mark
PS I grew up in Lexington...

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Dave R Smith
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Hi Steve,

I'm someone who has been using adobe premiere etc for many years, but hardware skills are those of auser, rather than that of a pc builder.
I had a specialist co build me a win7 pc earlier this year, rather than do it myself, as there are always potential issues with compatibility of components for the inexperienced.

I'm an ex IT guy but experience was more on software design/build than hardware.

You probably know you need the 64bit O/S and I'd search on CUDA enabled cards, including a look on youtube where the CUDA is hardware enabled (on version 5 - not sure if 5.5 has changed method).

I used the !GB nvideia geforce GTS450, which though not on the official list for CUDA works fine.

RAID system I think has given problems to some, perhaps that was a capture issue.
Search on this forum for RAID to see what's thrown up.

Any firewire card should be fine, preferably I'd go for one with both 4 pin and 6 pin sockets to keep your options open - 6 pin are reckoned to be more robust, but some 'official' firewire cables provided with camera only come as 4 pin (though can be replaced with 6 pin).

My pre-purchase thread is here:
http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=52303
which also details PSU selection, which I can't see on your list.

HTH

SteveV
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Joined: Jun 10 2011

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the quick and informative reply--I'll have a look at the links you provided. Small word; I live in Burlington just a mile or so away from the Legington town line :)

Thanks again -- Steve

Dave R Smith
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Sorry my reply was unhelpful.:confused:

Mark M
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Looking at the times I'd say he wrote and posted his before yours appeared. Don't get your knickers in a twist.:D

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SteveV
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Dave R Smith wrote:
Sorry my reply was unhelpful.:confused:

Hi Dave,

Sorry, it was indeed helpful--just ran out to do some errands after posting my reply to Mark and didn't see your reply until I got back. Glad to hear that people are having success with non-Quadro graphics cards and thanks for the heads-up on the potential RAID issues--looks like I have some more reading to do before ordering my components.

Regarding the FireWire card; is that all I need or do I need some sort of capture card? AS far as the PSU; it's on the list but not all that clearly identified. Here's what I looking at:

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC

Thanks again for the info -- Steve

Dave R Smith
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Hi Steve, As you're an IT man I didn't know if i was telling you stuff you already knew- but IT covers so many areas.

Firewire is typically for MiniDV or other tape based cameras, where output is effectively streamed in realtime, but the camera you mention works off memory card and can't tell for sure from specs I found what input connector is required.:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/749863-REG/Panasonic_HDC_TM90_HDC_TM90_High_Definition_Camcorder.html

Possibly its via the USB, but some video cameras only use this for transfer of 'stills'.

Capture cards are typically for analog video. Might you want to transfer content from vhs video for example or other equipment which uses the analog yellow composite connector?

Capture cards also used to provide codecs to enable quicker processing of effects etc whilst editing.

Personally I haven't used a capture card for years, and faster computers mean vapture cards offer less benefits for realtime processing. If I need to tf from analog, I have a Sony Z1 which can act with analog input looped through giving digital to pc via firewire, which most domestic cameras don't have.

On PSU's, I've been reccomended to leave plenty of margin on the wattage - to allow for start up surges. The linked item seems to be a low price, but being in USA, you do seem to do better. Check if it has a quiet fan, especially if you will be doing filming in same room. I had extra fan put in mine and the graphics card has a fan (or possibly2) as well, but pleased to say it's so quiet I have to look at the light on the power switch to see if it's on.

>I used the !GB nvideia geforce GTS450, which though not on the official list for CUDA works fine.
Correction, that should 1GB not !GB:rolleyes:

Best wishes.

Dave.

paultv
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I'd get a bigger PSU - 750watts at least, as a GTX 580 ( new, lower power consumption, cooler, quieter) still has a pretty high power need - this cuda card will outstrip anything else for the money with PPRO CS5.5

I would go for a small SSD system drive, something like an OCZ Agility 3 - sata 3, Trim and stonking fast - makes the editing/pc experience shockingly pleasant.

You will need a raid for your video media files - may I suggest Raid 5 which offers some redundancy, but does really need 4 drives - ie. 4 x 1tb drives will give you just under 3TB of drive space, still very fast, but safe - I run 2 large Raid 5 set ups externally via esata, plays AVCHD a treat.

You may wish to look at an MX02 mini which will give you realtime output to an HDMI HD monitor, works with PPRO, AE, Encore, Photoshop and many other applications - just a thought, as you may want to see your pictures at full rez and in the right colour space - remember a computer monitor via a graphics card does not give true HD colour monitoring.

All this said, you will need win7 64bit OS of course.

Have fun!

Paul :-)

steve5
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mobo

Just a suggestion but I would go for a Gigabyte mobo rather than the asrock.I have build many editing systems and the gigabyte mobo,s are second to none.
Steve

Rob James
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+1 on the Gigabyte mobo. Asrock are considered second or even third grade and the price difference isn't worth the potential agro.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync