Feedback On Apple's new Mac Pro???

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Maxwell
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Monday Apple launched some new products. Any feedback. Like the new design of Mac Pro coming out later this year.
DAVE M
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but will it's USB power output be EU legal?
 
the new Macpro doesn't seem to be internally upgradable and relies on thunderbolt type external add ons so why not save a few quid and run a big iMac?
PaulD
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DAVE M wrote:
...why not save a few quid and run a big iMac?

Hi

If you used a Mac Pro with no additional PCIe cards (or a G5 tower with no PCI-X cards) then an iMac is most likely all you need,
 
The newly previewed Mac Pro is ideal for anybody working in a professional edit suite with video I/O, audio I/O, legacy I/O adapters, RAID boxes, backup boxes (disk or tape) and even maybe more than one Gig-E port for NAS and networking at the same time.
We don't know the pricing for lower end models - the top of the range is obviously going to be expensive, probably comparable to the top end 12-core pricing of the discontinued Mac Pro range - just short of £6000 incl VAT.
 
DAVE M
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I'm running a 3 year old MacPro with a Blackmagic card taking HD-SDI and recording to ProRes from a studio set up.
FCP as the capture system
 
It was spec'd just before solid state SSD recorders became an affordable alternative.
 
I only browsed the new one but I read the info as all add ons needed to be external
 
I used to be a believer in 'future proofing" but machines speed up and increase in power so much that I'd rather buy the cheaper machine that does the job and hope that the next generation works out cheaper than a "better " machine bought earlier
 
Badly expressed but hopefully you see what I mean
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It makes sense. When you consider how many people are using external storage anyway with existing Mac Pro's despite having internal bays. Having internal bays is actually pretty limiting. With the number of Thunderbolt 2 ports on the new Mac Pro it will be far more expandable than the existing machines and the iMac. I would hazard a guess that the power draw savings of the new model would be worth getting over the old Mac Pro too!

Let's not also forget that what we saw at the Apple event was a sneak peak. The full specs, features and abilities have not yet been released. Of course we all know that the price will make it prohibitive for many anyway.

Maxwell
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If you think about it. Apple are moving fast with new products, But seem to have no interest regards people who have software and equipment down the line to support them with updates.
With the new Mac Pro the market must be for the media generation of workers.
Also i think FCP-X will get a face-lift.
Cost of Mac Pro in England £4000.00 plus???????
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But seem to have no interest regards people who have software and equipment down the line to support them with updates.
This isn't a uniquely Apple trait. The same could be said for the broadcast camera makers. Gone are the days when a camera was an investment that lasted for a good few years.
 
The real fact of the matter is that if you want a radical redesign you do have to alienate some people. Avid's main problem was their reluctance to leave behind legacy related issues. They got left behind as a result, and while they are still embedded by die hards at some level in the professional arena, they are being attacked from all sides. And to be perfectly frank they very, very nearly lost the battle entirely.
 
In many ways it is a good thing. Think about it. Yes, you do have to upgrade a few things to get a working system with a new gen Mac Pro. However you can take those peripherals forward as long as the software supports them now. For example you could have a new iMac setup right now that uses Thunderbolt peripherals. Hard drives, I/O boxes etc. You can now upgrade to a MacPro and take those with you. No messing around plugging in PCI cards etc. Effectively with a focus on using Thunderbolt expansion rather than internal Apple have actually introduced an upgrade path.
 
 
Maxwell
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Yes you are correct with your statement. It is just when you hit a certain age group and have invested in new software and equipment a few years back and you see all this new stuff coming out. One is a bit frighten that will Apple support the down the road people. I mean i got Snow Leopard and very happy after mastering the set up.
I know have the attitude if it works and those the job for you "BE HAPPY"yes
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It is just when you hit a certain age group and have invested in new software and equipment a few years back and you see all this new stuff coming out.
Yes, I agree. I am facing a huge problem in that I still run a Mac Pro 1,1 (the 2006 model). I can still edit video on it and get the job done, but it is often dog slow at doing it, especially rendering or handling footage from the newer cameras such as 2.7k mode on the GoPro Hero3. So if I can afford to upgrade at all, iMac or MacPro, it will be a huge hit for me.
 
However my 2006 MacPro has served me very well. I bought it at the beginning of 2007, so it has lasted me going on six years not long from now, and it is still able to handle a large amount of tasks. There aren't many computers, especially stock Windows based PC's that this could be said for. In part this is due to Apple supporting machines for longer. I am running Lion on it currently, and the OS itself is extremely smooth.
 
So I am fairly confident that any new MacPro will last for a good many years. If it can handle 4k DNG/RAW video with ease now while still having enough grunt to be able to carry on editing at a decent speed with rendering in the background, then it should last for a good many years yet if I were to invest in one.
DAVE M
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I can't remember how old my own MacPro is, I guess around 8 years, and to be honest, an imac would have been probably a better buy as I don't use internal cards in that and despite having spare space for HDD tend to have loads of external HDDs so I can shift stuff about
 
 I wonder who the new MP is aimed at, given the less than enthusiastic response to FCPX?
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I have a MacPro 1.1 which I bought when the model first arrived in the UK - middle 2006.    Still using it for transferring DV stuff to disc from tape for people as well as editing their DV films onto discs.   Also, it's good in certain circumstances for better titling (in my opinion) for transfer to FCPX  films in my 27" iMac, armoured with 32gb ram and Radeon 6970M graphics card.   I can burn BD disc on either the internal BD burner/player in the MacPro or in the external Blu-Ray burner/player on the iMac.   A satisfactory combination.
 
That old MacPro has served me very well with its hooked up SVHS editing machines and connected record, tape and disc audio player.   With its connection to the iMac and an abillity to play from/to SD cards I have no reason to think of further alterations for quite some time.
 
With Apple's latest machines not having ( edited - insert 'conveniently placed' here!) SD inputs, I'm thankful that I purchased my iMac when I did because it suits my purposes very well as I still have all the connections for my work conveniently placed.
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In what regard do the new macs not have "SD Inputs"?  Macs have never come with video capture integrated, the ie1394 (firewire) port on an old mac is no more a video capture port than thunderbolt is on the new macs.
 
Its all just data - apple do a thunderbolt / firewire dongle so you can transfer DV files if you still need to. Otherwise something like a Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4k will let you capture from / output to any video device from composite all the way to 6G SDI. 
 
In other (shocking) news the new macs will not run PPC apps / bootcamp into windows 98se. So few people here will see the point of them :P !

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sleepytom wrote:
In what regard do the new macs not have "SD Inputs"?  
 
 
Missed out word there, Sleepy . . .    Should've  been 'conveniently placed SD card input.'