Edit system for native AVCHD video

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col lamb
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Just thought that you guys would be interested in a system that I built and have been using for editing for a few weeks now without any problems.

Native AVCHD files play great without rendering.

Multiple effects can be added to clips and they playback without rendering.

Rendering for export is quick, as is outputting to file.

The system Spec is: -

[INDENT]i7 980X CPU (un-clocked)
ASUS P6X58D-E motherboard
12GB DDR3 RAM, Corsair matched to motherboard in 3x4Gb.
nVidia GTX580 GPU
Windows 7 64 bit
Edius 6.01
Adobe CS3[/INDENT]

I also note on the Edius forum that there is a recall on the SandyBridge CPU, you are advised to check this out thoroughly if you are in the market for a new workstation or are considering upgrading.

Regards.

Col Lamb Lancashire UK ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO, 3.3GHz hex core i7 CPU, 12GB RAM, nVidia GTX580 GPU, W7 64bit, 500Gb boot, 1Tb RAID (Mirror) Store, 500Gb RAID (stripped), Edius 6.05, CS 5.5

PaulD
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Hi
Not the Sandy Bridge CPU - that's OK - but the mobo chipset. The SATA 3 ports are OK but the SATA 2 ports may fail over time.

Tony7
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Thats some CPU you have there col lamb. :)

Thanks for posting your spec, good to know.
Thanks.

Tony.
Asrock Z68 Extreme7 --i7-2700K --Edius Pro7--HDStorm+ --16GB Kingston HyperX--GTX 560Ti--AX850 PSU--MxM PCI-e Reader--Win8.1 Pro 64bit

tom hardwick
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I know little about the inner workings of my 3 yr old DVC pc, but it says here it has
XP pro Service pack 3
2x 1 gb 800MGHz RAM,
2.66 GHz Core 2 quad Q 6700 1066FSB quad core processor
and an Asus P5K 1333FSB core 2 duo motherboard.

It happily plays AVCHD and glides through cross fades, but doesn't much like extra AV tracks being added to the mix. If there was one thing I should do the speed things up, what would it be? (I know, I know - junk it and start again).

tom.

Mark M
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PaulD wrote:
Hi
Not the Sandy Bridge CPU - that's OK - but the mobo chipset. The SATA 3 ports are OK but the SATA 2 ports may fail over time.

Intel have fixed that problem now. Any motherboard the OP buys now should be OK.

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Mark M
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tom hardwick wrote:
If there was one thing I should do the speed things up, what would it be? (I know, I know - junk it and start again).

tom.

Add in another 2 GB of RAM.

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steve
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tom hardwick wrote:
I know little about the inner workings of my 3 yr old DVC pc, but it says here it has
XP pro Service pack 3
2x 1 gb 800MGHz RAM,
2.66 GHz Core 2 quad Q 6700 1066FSB quad core processor
and an Asus P5K 1333FSB core 2 duo motherboard.

It happily plays AVCHD and glides through cross fades, but doesn't much like extra AV tracks being added to the mix. If there was one thing I should do the speed things up, what would it be? (I know, I know - junk it and start again).

tom.

Tom,

Are you using XP 64bit?

Steve

tom hardwick
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Did 64 bit XP exist 3 years ago Steve? I've no idea, but I'm pretty sure it's 32 bit. How would I find out?

steve
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Tom,

Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition released on April 25, 2005 according to Wikipedia.

To check your version:

start/My Computer/in top left panel click 'View system information'

This should show version including current service pack.

The big bonus is the amount of RAM that you can use. I've got Win 7 64bit and 12GB RAM. I never have memory shortage problems. The only downside is the 15 seconds of RAM initialisation on boot.

Steve

Mark M
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Seems very unlikely that DVC would have built a customer system with XP64, an OS notorious for its poor support.
Since Tom edits with Edius, which remains 32bit and can still only address <4GB of RAM, the benefits of him going to a 64bit OS are limited. But since he only has 2GB installed at the moment, he'd certainly benefit from maxing out what his OS and NLE can use.

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col lamb
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Tom

I'd get Windows 7 pro or Ultimate upgrade, another hard disc, either 4Gb RAM Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 (check this as your MOBO name is only part completed), and Acronis True Image.

Clone your XP disc, and change to it from your previous boot drive.

Your original boot disc will remain pristine and as your backup

Boot up just to make sure the cloned disc is OK.

Upgrade to Windows 7.

Shutdown

Swap the RAM

Boot up and edit

Col Lamb Lancashire UK ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO, 3.3GHz hex core i7 CPU, 12GB RAM, nVidia GTX580 GPU, W7 64bit, 500Gb boot, 1Tb RAID (Mirror) Store, 500Gb RAID (stripped), Edius 6.05, CS 5.5

tom hardwick
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Thanks Col. Do you fancy popping over to do these small mods as I have some simple brain surgery I need to do. :)

col lamb
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Tom

Don't put a down on your capabilities, you clean the heads and mechanisms of your tape Camcorders, you can work on a PC

Col Lamb Lancashire UK ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO, 3.3GHz hex core i7 CPU, 12GB RAM, nVidia GTX580 GPU, W7 64bit, 500Gb boot, 1Tb RAID (Mirror) Store, 500Gb RAID (stripped), Edius 6.05, CS 5.5

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Is there a cheaper spec ?

Having read Col Lamb's computer spec at the beginning of this thread, I would be interested to know if anyone could recomend cheaper components for a more "hobby" approach (familly and holiday videos).
I am editing AVCHD files from a Panasonic TM700 with Edius Neo 3 and HD spark on a E7600 3 Ghz Core 2 duo, 3GB RAM,Asus P5b Mboard, GT220, XP Prof with the usual tweaks for more efficiency etc, but it isn't quite up to playing back from the timeline without stuttering and we're back to the old days of rendering.
Any advice would be gratefully received!

Claire
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You may not need to go too far to get the extra grunt needed, I think an i7 processor is the essential ingredient you are missing.

My own computer with Edius 6 handles raw TM900 50P footage without any stuttering or need to render and it's the earliest cheapest i7 processor that came out a couple of years old or more. Think you would need to change to an i7 compatible mother board though, doubt your present one would accept it.

One thing I would say is don't throw money away on a fancy graphics card. Edius/Neo won't thank you for it unless you want real time from all the wizzbang GPU effects,Edius relies 99% on cpu speed and for export, the number of cores. My own graphics card is a cheap £30 thing and it works fine. Also I would say memory is not needed in abundance for simple editing, I only have 6GB and feel it's more than enough.

Of course Col's machine will be very nice!!! Especially for other stuff...

Claire

steve
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TV joiner's PC's Asus P5b will not accommodate any of the Core i7 CPUs, its limited to a quad Core 2 chip, say a Q6600 which is faster than a E7600 but nothing like a Core i7.
The new Ivy Bridge chipset motherboards are released in 2012 which would be a better deal than the current ones that won't support the latest CPUs.

Steve

col lamb
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TV J

Since I started this thread there have been considerable progress with PC's

If you have nor already done so I suggest that you join the Grass Valley forum.

There are masses more posts there than here on PC's using Edius 6 and Neo.

You should only need: -
ASUS or Gigabyte MOBO with "Z68" chipset
i7 2600 Sandybridge CPU 3.4GHz unlocked version
Memory to suit MOBO, suggest 8Gb

The next Ivybridge CPU's are due to be released c Q1 2012, however they are likely to be at a premium and scarce in the UK to start off with

Col Lamb Lancashire UK ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO, 3.3GHz hex core i7 CPU, 12GB RAM, nVidia GTX580 GPU, W7 64bit, 500Gb boot, 1Tb RAID (Mirror) Store, 500Gb RAID (stripped), Edius 6.05, CS 5.5

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Thank you everyone for your quick replies with some very usefull information, I suppose my setup has worked so well for quite a long time, one gets a bit out of touch, then along comes "the next advance" so things need upgrading yet again !

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TV joiner wrote:
Having read Col Lamb's computer spec at the beginning of this thread, I would be interested to know if anyone could recomend cheaper components for a more "hobby" approach (familly and holiday videos).
I am editing AVCHD files from a Panasonic TM700 with Edius Neo 3 and HD spark on a E7600 3 Ghz Core 2 duo, 3GB RAM,Asus P5b Mboard, GT220, XP Prof with the usual tweaks for more efficiency etc, but it isn't quite up to playing back from the timeline without stuttering and we're back to the old days of rendering.
Any advice would be gratefully received!

Try this. http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/21427675/-/Product.html picked mine up at £379 a couple of weeks ago and added 8gb DDR3 Crucial ram, for £39. It does all I need, 3 cam multi edits, 1080/50p, colour correction, everything in real time. I was going to spend a lot more on an i7 tower, so glad I didnt. It was originally going to be used as our internet machine, I installed Prem CS5.5 on it and haven't looked back. More than capable. Definately the cheapest edit machine I have ever purchased

Colin Rowe