AVCHD possible pc upgrade

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John Disdle
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Thinking of upgrading the pc to edit AVCHD with Sony Vegas Studio 10. Not many motherboards support IDE now, and I have three sata 160G to replace them. The boot drive is already an 80G sata, and one of the 160G would replace the other internal edit IDE drive. The remaining two will connect via USB/sata interface to capture from camera.
Another reason is the IDE caddy fitting is becoming unreliable.

I have in mind, an Intel i5 2400k, Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 DDR3 mobo with USB 3, or Asus P8Z68-V. Both are SKT 1155.
I doubt I will need bluetooth, and the video o/p ports as I use PCI express GFX. I can buy locally, and see what I`m getting.

I still use Prem.Pro 1.5, and Win. XP. It's duel boot, and Win 7 is a possibility for Vegas.
I hope this will be an improvement over the present 3G 2 core duo, but unsure about comparing processor speed. So am I heading in the right direction please?

Z Cheema
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Bear in mind tha the new version of Vegas will allow Cuda/Open gL to help render/preview so a good video card will help speed up things as well

Go for 64bit and you can have more memory

I have an i7 laptop with 8Gb beats my Qcore, a 7 hour render now takes 3/4 using 64bit |SV10

I also use a Sata caddie, makes swapping drives a doddle

http://www.ebuyer.com/221365-sumvision-ico-usb-2-0-esata-docking-station-with-card-reader-svicoesata-

John Disdle
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Thanks for that link, Z Cheema, that`s a good price.

Another way is a caddy to replace the old IDE, or a Sata Easy Swop HDD Mobile Rack as sold by Maplin.

The original idea was a USB or e-sata docking station. Not all motherboards have e-Sata, so another problem.

GFX card is nVidia GeForce 8600 GT. I think it uses Cuda, or it`s available. I shall look into the 64 bit – that`s very fast!

John Disdle
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Bought and fitted the sata Easy Swap Maplin mobile rack.
Not too sure what I think of this yet, I seem to have a few problems.

I have two red sata cables that came with the motherboard-Asus P5LD2-X/1333. They are not very flexible, and the connection to the motherboard can be intermittent. I am hoping a new all sata will be an improvement.

After booting, if I put a sata drive in the caddy, it`s not shown in My Computer. It appears after a re-boot. Any attempt to “Hot Swap” doesn`t read the new drive, but still sees the contents of the one removed. I have had to run check disk because files were supposed to be corrupt.

At the moment, I am not liking this device at all, and now thinking of a change to the USB sata docking station.

mooblie
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I don't think SATA is hot-swappable. I believe the nearest you can get is an external enclosure (which would be eSATA) with separate power switch, then:
(a) logically eject or safely remove the disk from the desktop or computer,
(b) power down external enclosure,
(c) swap drives,
(d) power external enclosure back up
(e) wait for drive to mount.

Martin - DVdoctor in moderation. Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

John Disdle
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Thanks mooblie.

That makes more sense, and works the same as the IDE caddy I`m looking to replace. If the sata connections stay put it may be ok. It has a two pin connection for a HDD LED. I am using it as slave, so there`s nowhere to plug that in.

I think Maplin have got it wrong! It should be for a boot disk only, and it`s not Hot Swappable.

Gavin Gration
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Do a search for hotswap!.exe and check that AHCI is enabled in the computer BIOS.

HotSwap! Will add your non-system drives to the Eject icon in Windows (safely remove device) just like a USB device.

Personally I prefer to shut down the machine. I don't like the idea of pulling a spinning drive out.

John Disdle
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Thanks Gavin.

AHCI does not appear in the BIOS on my pc. A search reveals lots of information relating to Hot Swap errors, but so far the file escapes me. Sata on this pc is somewhat iffy as it is. I have had intermittent problems booting since I changed the boot drive from IDE to sata. The motherboard connection is not as good as the IDE.

The BIOS sees the drive, but windows doesn`t always. although I have managed to format and copy folders. I must admit that this whole idea is a waste of time. My IDE caddy works well, but I can't say that about this sata one. I shall exchange it for the USB docking station.

John Disdle
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I have exchanged the caddy for the sata docking station. All worked first time, and all sata drives are seen by windows.
I found a sata cable with metal spring clips. That`s a much better idea!

So thanks everyone for your help.

John Disdle
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
The above upgrade as not happened yet. Hopefully after Easter!
 
I have a trial of Premier Elements 10. I hope I can live with the black interface, but I do find the program easy to use even though Vegas Studio is more fluid on this old system. Elements is ok on SD, but not so hot with AVCHD.
 
The Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 m/b with an i5 2500 CPU which equates to 3.3G X4 should I hope work ok. 4Gig DDR3 mem and Win.7 or XP, but 32bit.
 
The i7 CPU is obviously faster for rendering, but I can't tell by how much bearing in mind the price difference.
 
Anyone using Elements please?  Your thoughts are appreciated.
 
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New PC in the making. M/B is MSI Z68A-G43. the Gigabyte was no longer avaiable as a bundle. I have the i7 2600k and at present 4Gig DDR3.
AHCI seems a bit of a problem. It won`t load XP unless it`s in IDE mode. The board does not have IDE connectors, and my new HDD`s are all SATA which is what this M/B supports. So again, confused.

Consulting the Net, there are suggesations there is no speed difference, and AHCI is used for RAID which I don`t need.

I havn`t had time to do much testing, but there is a definite speed up with Premier Pro 1.5.
Any thoughts please?
 
 
Alan Craven
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
You probably need to install the driver for AHCI when the Windows disk first runs, using the "F6 method", without this the SATA drive will not be recognized.  The necessary driver will not be included in Windows 7.
 
If you do install Windows with the EIDE setting, do not try to change to AHCI or RAID later.  If you do, your PC will not boot.  There is a method for doing this change described in  a Microsoft support document, which involves editing the registry.
John Disdle
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
Thanks Alan.
Would the “F6 method”  install the AHCI driver from the XP disk?

I`m surprised the driver was not included with the M/B driver disk, and even more that XP actually has it.

I have seen the work round by editing the registry, but unfortunatey that seemed to be Win 7, as the reg. entry was not found in XP. I still wonder how much difference I will see, but as I shall be installing Win 7 64 bit to make it a dual boot soon, I may have to do a full re-install again.
 
 
 
Alan Craven
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If there is an AHCI driver for XP, it will be on the motherboard disk - otherwise try Intel for the download for the ACHI/RAID Drivers.  
 
I doubt that there will be any difference in performance between using your SATA drives in EIDE mode rather than ACHI with XP, but the drives will perform better in Win7 if set to ACHI.
 
The problem is that you will have to have them the same in both boots, as you have to set the drive mode in BIOS, so if AHCI is not available in XP, you will have to use EIDE mode for both.
 
So long as you install Win7 after XP, there should be no problem with the dual boot.
 
LATER:
 
There is an XP pre-install AHCI driver - you will find it here:
 
 
You will also need the Intel RST driver.  I have assumed your motherboard is Rev. 2 if it is Rev 1 you will need to look to see if it is a different driver.  I have not used Sandy Bridge, so I am not sure of the exact ins and outs.
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade

Thanks again Alan, that is most helpful.

 
The Intel RSTe driver is on the M/B CD. I can`t find the AHCI there and checked the MSI site for XP 32bit and Win 7 64bit, but no luck. Maybe it installs by magic-I hope! 

 

I shall also image the drive first-just in case, and try a new setup using F6 to see what happens, having first set the BIOS to AHCI.
 

Alan Craven
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Sorry I did not notice that you had switched from gigabyte to MSI.  This is the one you want:
 
Intel Rapid Storage Technology Floppy Driver (F6).
 
From here
 
 
You will also need the full Intel RST Driver which is immediately below it in the list.
 
Check that you have the correct OS selected in the box at the top of the list.  You will need both XP and W& for your dual boot.  But they should be on the motherboard CD.
 
You will have to enter the BIOS first to select EIDE or AHCI mode. Put the F6 drivers on a USB stick and click F6 repeatedly as soon as the Windows disk starts to spin, then just follow the instructions.
John Disdle
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
Hi Alan.
 
This is not going very well. I have the F6 driver, but setup is expecting a floppy and will not boot from USB.

There is a readme txt file that tells me to download the Intel Matrix Storage utility, but this seems elusive, or I am directed to everything but…..

 
I should pick up a USB floppy drive from my son tomorrow, so hoping that will be the answer. I will be busy the next few days, but will post when everything is working.
Many thanks for your time.
 
 
Alan Craven
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
The Intel Matrix Storage Utility is now called the Intel Rapid Storage Technology Driver, and is available as I described in my last post.
 
Your struggles make me glad that I switched from Asus to Gigabyte for the motherboard of my recent Sandy Bridge E system build.
 
My last Asus motherboard gave various problems and their download site is poor.  Gigabyte looked, and is, far better.
 
I am surprised that a modern motherboard will not accept the F6 driver from a USB stick - how is it formatted? 
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
It`s a Transend 4Gig stick. I havn`t changed the format, so assume Fat 32. According to the txt file, Vista will install AHCI drivers from USB!!!
 
The Rapid Store Utility, is on the M/B driver disk – RST and contains all the files necessary for the F6 install from floppy.  So there was no need to download from Intel.  The driver disk has provision to install the storage drivers, but obviously this doesn`t happen, and I wonder why!
 
This is my first MSI board, and hope the last. I have had both Asus and Gigabyte in the past with no problems. I think the instructions are very poor, considering it`s a modern M/B that has only SATA connections, and no floppy drive – not that i`ve used one for years, but in this case would have been useful. 
 
So maybe a wet week end will be put to good use……
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Re: AVCHD possible pc upgrade
After two days, it would appear AHCI is basically for SSD, NCQ, and hot swapping. IDE works in legacy mode, and although NCQ sounds nice, it`s not possible.
 
The floppy was recognised, but any files resulted in a selection of RAID drivers, and not the full selection of AHCI and various others shown in the example given.

My son sees more PC`s than I do, and he has never come across this before. So sorry for wasting your time, and thank`s very much for your help.

 
I havn`t installed Win 7 yet, but that should be more straight-forward. The fun will be using it….