QuickTime HD H.264 conversion...

[cstv]

I've been playing with the "V for Vendetta" (http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/trailer.html) trailer which is available in HD QuickTime but even my twin 3GHz P4 at work can't play back the 1080 version! It plays but it's anything but smooth, and the CPU sits at about 98%. It's only 8Mbps so it can't be hard drive datarate.

VLC (http://videolan.org) and QT7 (public preview for windows) (http://apple.com/quicktime) both do the same thing.

I was hoping to be able to convert the mov to an MPEG2 TS that i know i can play but Procoder won't accept the mov. Does anyone know of any plans to incorporate H.264 support into Procoder? Or of any other software that can convert H.264 movs to, well, anything really?

tia,
mark.

[harlequin]

I've been playing with the "V for Vendetta" (http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/trailer.html) trailer which is available in HD QuickTime but even my twin 3GHz P4 at work can't play back the 1080 version! It plays but it's anything but smooth, and the CPU sits at about 98%. It's only 8Mbps so it can't be hard drive datarate.

VLC (http://videolan.org/) and QT7 (public preview for windows) (http://apple.com/quicktime) both do the same thing.

I was hoping to be able to convert the mov to an MPEG2 TS that i know i can play but Procoder won't accept the mov. Does anyone know of any plans to incorporate H.264 support into Procoder? Or of any other software that can convert H.264 movs to, well, anything really?

tia,
mark.

I need about 10 minutes to finish making a dvd image ..... then i'll try and see what my machine can do .....

nope quicktime pro 7 and procoder 2 don't talk to each other .... now theres a surprise.

having a different h.264 codec doesn't help either.

I think Apple have locked it up tightly at the moment

[mooblie]

If you updgrade QuickTime 7 to Pro (for Windows or Mac) that should open an H.264 encoded file, and then export in whatever format you want?

[PaulD]

Hi
Welcome to the wonderful brave new world of HD DVD/streaming/downloads....
Even the fastest current Mac can't manage to encode HD H.264 at more than about 12 hours per hour, and even though the replay is less CPU-dependent, its still pushing it to get full frame-rate play on current fast computers.

When HD DVD players are available part of their inevitable expense will be because of the formidable CPU/DSP chip-power that will be neccessary :(

Is your QT 7 the beta copy? Because that may be part of the problem. At the moment you may need to be using QT 7 on a Mac to be using its transcoding facilities to convert to MPEG-2 etc.

[cstv]

thanks mooblie. QT Pro 7's formats list is here... (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/pro/specs.html)

i need something that can support 1920x1080. Looking at that list it'd be MPEG 4 or a still image sequence, right? or maybe an avi...? I could then throw it in Procoder to get my mpeg2 ts - $29.99 works out as a tiny £17.21 in real money! unfortunatly that's about £17.22 more than i'll enjoy giving to Apple... oh well. :)

[cstv]

Is your QT 7 the beta copy? Because that may be part of the problem. At the moment you may need to be using QT 7 on a Mac to be using its transcoding facilities to convert to MPEG-2 etc.

i'm running the "public preview" version of QT7 for windows. Haven't upgraded to pro yet. Is Quicktime's MPEG2 encoding any good?

[PaulD]

Hi
Strictly speaking QT doesn't come with an MPEG-2 encoder - its Compressor which does encoding for Apple applications, and that's Mac only. In its latest form is has "Optical flow technology used for format and media conversions", which is one of its H.264 strengths, as well as distributed rendering (via ethernet).

Compressor can give excellent results once you've learnt to deal with its 1001+ setting parameters and possibilities ;)

[harlequin]

http://forum.canopus.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ProCoder&Number=274740&Forum=All_Forums&Words=mainconcept%20h.264&Match=And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=271069&Search=true#Post274740

says procoder will see the h.264 from apple

[drgagx]

I think this must be the pre-release version of QT7 which so far, I believe, only supports US formats. Others have said they are unable to get it to work on pcs.

Edit PS
After posting this I just saw this reply to an earlier question of mine by Timo Manges as follows:

"Quote:
Originally Posted by drgagx
My question:
When Quicktime 7 is released in its HD version later this year, what installation procedure will be required for it to work in ProCoder and specifically in ProCoderExpress for Edius? Or will it be automatically picked up by Canopus software?



Hi,

Procoder2 will support this just by installing the newest QT-versions.
For ProCoder Express i do not know if or how it will support the QT-HD-versions.

best regards,

Timo Manges

[cstv]

"only supports US formats" - in what sense? only 60Hz? the clip that i can't get to play propperly is 1080/24p. There's a 852x480 at 24fps (weighs in at a miniscule 645Kbps!!!) and it plays fine in both QT7 and VLC (btw, for VLC to play QT7 audio you need the newest nightly builds) but Procoder 2 reports "Quicktime Reader : General Error" when i try to import it as a source...

Gary, i'd love to take a look at that link but the Canopus forums won't let me register! i enter username and email and the php script seems to stall. I'm wait a while and hopefully an email will arrive at some point...

mark.

[harlequin]

sorry mark , it's just one of the regulars there saying that he 'knows' that procoder will work with h.264 from apple , i assume when full version comes out , and possibly a minor update from canopus , as it certainly doesn't work with the beta version.



PC2 and PCE will both see and access the H264 encoder that comes with QT 7 Pro but it is a waste of time IMHO.....for 30 bucks you get what you pay for. Main Concept has a 500 buck H264 encoder out which should give you an idea on the quality diferences....I do wish we could hear something from our fine encoding canopus folks since this format has a lot of potential.

[cstv]

thanks Gary. Looks like i'll have to wait for Apple to get the windows version finished.

thanks everyone!

[popper]

I've been playing with the "V for Vendetta" (http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/trailer.html) trailer which is available in HD QuickTime but even my twin 3GHz P4 at work can't play back the 1080 version! It plays but it's anything but smooth, and the CPU sits at about 98%. It's only 8Mbps so it can't be hard drive datarate.

VLC (http://videolan.org) and QT7 (public preview for windows) (http://apple.com/quicktime) both do the same thing.

I was hoping to be able to convert the mov to an MPEG2 TS that i know i can play but Procoder won't accept the mov. Does anyone know of any plans to incorporate H.264 support into Procoder? Or of any other software that can convert H.264 movs to, well, anything really?

tia,
mark.

its been a long time now since anyone posted on this thread and it seems that there was no real salution.

i cant say it will help you directly as i dont really play with
.mov that much but id advise people to take a look a CoreAVC for
a windows codec thats now turned commercial so might be interesting to box makers and so on, but also to private persons.

it can decode 720P and 1080p and soon i apparently
read the full thread to get a better understanding and talk to
the developers directly (doom9 makes you wait 5 days before you can post though ) heres some example clips including IceAge
1280*720*25 1250 Kbps runing from an AMD XP 2400+ using the beta
coreAVC codec http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=761387#post761387

there are masses of tec help and different converters etc there, you might also take a look at 'YAMB' to convert those MOV to
other containers and so on http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93927 current version i think is 1.5. ;)